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The Gaza Freedom Flotilla 2 thread...


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Edited by smokinp, 30 June 2011 - 09:30 AM.


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I hope they get there in one piece. n that's bullshit about the Irish boat ):

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Why do they want to deliver so much aid to Hamas, when they've been caught over and over again selling it back to their own people for profit? Sorry bro, if you make a thread posing a PR flotilla as a peace flotilla, not everyone is going to believe you when all the facts point otherwise. If these flotilla nutjobs had half a brain they'd be going thru the UN instead of through Hamas, who is going to once again exploit their own people by dangling their aid in front of them on a pole, tagged with astronomical prices. At least the UN actually gives the aid to the people for free, that is, when Hamas doesn't try to expel UN workers with death threats. Smells fishy... but some of our noses it seems are plugged. You say you don't want tit and tat arguments, but those never really happen. What actually happens is you get proven wrong, then you accuse everyone who is doing the factual analysis of simply trying to sabotage your oh-so-important thread. Cry me a river.

Edited by dudedude4, 30 June 2011 - 03:42 PM.


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i wish both sides would just stfu .

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Why do they want to deliver so much aid to Hamas, when they've been caught over and over again selling it back to their own people for profit? Sorry bro, if you make a thread posing a PR flotilla as a peace flotilla, not everyone is going to believe you when all the facts point otherwise. If these flotilla nutjobs had half a brain they'd be going thru the UN instead of through Hamas, who is going to once again exploit their own people by dangling their aid in front of them on a pole, tagged with astronomical prices. At least the UN actually gives the aid to the people for free, that is, when Hamas doesn't try to expel UN workers with death threats. Smells fishy... but some of our noses it seems are plugged. You say you don't want tit and tat arguments, but those never really happen. What actually happens is you get proven wrong, then you accuse everyone who is doing the factual analysis of simply trying to sabotage your oh-so-important thread. Cry me a river.


I think its a political flotilla to help bring awareness to the problem, thereby helping bring peace, so they were like "peace flotilla" because theyre trying to bring peace through awareness. this is just my speculation though. also, could you source some links about hamas ripping the people off? thats messed up.

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sure thing Atman. and yes it is fucked.

Report: Hamas Selling Humanitarian Aid for Profit - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News

A journalist who visited Gaza found that Hamas is confiscating humanitarian goods donated by the international community and forcing Gaza Arabs to pay for them. The journalist, Mitchell Prothero, wrote an article about attitudes towards Hamas for the UAE paper The National.


Prothero spoke to a commander in the Islamic Jihad terrorist group, who complained about being forced to purchase medicine for his son when the medicine, donated by Norway, was clearly labeled “Not for resale.”


“I had to go to a Hamas pharmacy to make sure the pills weren't fake or made from poor materials in Egypt,” he explained. “If you want real medicine, you have to buy the aid Europe sends us.”


A Gaza businessman said, “If you're not in Hamas, you get nothing.”


Other Gaza residents who spoke to Prothero described Hamas as being firmly in control of life in Gaza. One said Hamas's armed forces – including police, military, and intelligence – currently number approximately 35,000, up from 6,000 four years ago.


While those Fatah leaders remaining in Gaza after the 2007 Hamas takeover appeared reluctant to challenge Hamas a second time, the organization faces opposition from another source: Gaza's growing Salafi Islam groups, which share their philosophy with Al-Qaeda and condemn Hamas as having done too little to impose Islamic law (Sharia).


One member of a radical Salafi group made an interesting claim, saying that his group had suffered more casualties in a particular neighborhood during Israel's counterterror operation Cast Lead than had Hamas. His report supports Israeli claims that hundreds of the Gaza Arabs killed in Cast Lead who were not Hamas members were armed fighters affiliated with other terrorist groups. Hamas has claimed that most of those killed were civilians.



Another article [ame="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d6_1231350274"]here[/ame]

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Can you not just leave this out of this thread ?


I was clearly asked a question by TheAtmansPath.

Israel News ?
Really ?


yes Israel News. If you'll read the article you'll see it is quoting a journalist from a UAE paper. So don't worry, it doesn't REALLY have the mark of the lying Jew on it.

Dude, Sometimes i wonder about you.
I sit here on my sofa and wonder. Where are you ?
Do you wear a uniform ?
Are you male or female ?


What you are attempting to do is known as "profiling." It is the act of bigots. Since you have invoked my revealed nationality in attempt to discredit me before, I see right through these evidently bigoted questions.

Just leave it for once...


Nothing I have said is untruthful or wrong. Why are you so afraid of the truth about this "freedom" "peace" "hyperbole" flotilla?

Edited by dudedude4, 01 July 2011 - 03:48 AM.


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This thread is about the Freedom Flotilla that even the activists on board will admit is symbolic...
A gesture of support for the people of Gaza.
A message of solidarity..


you are aware they would like to wipe their neighbors off the face of the earth, right?

maybe if they quit electing crazy genocidal leaders, they won't have such a hard time getting more of the shit they need. just a thought.
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I have stated a million times that i have zero problem with those of the Jewish faith.


This isn't about religion, it's about nationality and ethnicity. You seem to think everything that comes from the Hebrew nation-state is a lie, you just demonstrated that, from that I have no problem drawing the assumption I did. The flotilla idiots are going to give more aid to Hamas. Hamas is known for stealing the international aid and selling it back to its people at astronomical prices for profit. Get the fuck over it.

Edited by dudedude4, 30 June 2011 - 11:57 PM.


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Didn't these flotilla guys admit to bringing sulfuric acid on board?

So let me get this straight; a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid is destined to be received by Hamas? The same guys who position rocket launching sites on top of schools and hospitals?

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It's just like when the US had a blockade of Cuba to block weapons. If Russia crossed the blockade they would have been shot at. The same thing is with Gaza. It's an area of high tension.


Let's not forget that Cuba never swore itself to the US's utter destruction, nor did it ever attack the US. So really it's a little more understandable that there is a blockade than this analogy would imply.

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Didn't these flotilla guys admit to bringing sulfuric acid on board?

So let me get this straight; a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid is destined to be received by Hamas? The same guys who position rocket launching sites on top of schools and hospitals?


You could point out the worst actions of the IDF too, or just about anything in the world, and say "the same people that _____" to make it seem horrible and discredit the first part of the sentence. Watch how else it can be done:

"So let me get this straight; a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid is destined to be recieved by hamas? the same guys that devote up to 90% of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. Such services are not generally provided by the Palestinian government."

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