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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:23 AM

The Free Gaza movement is a human rights group that, since August 2008, has traveled nine times to Gaza by sea to break Israel's illegal stranglehold on1.5 million Palestinian civilians.

We entered Gaza successfully five times in 2008; however, we have been violently intercepted on the past four voyages, including Israel's MAY 31, 2010 lethal attack on our Freedom Flotilla,when nine of our colleagues were killed and many more injured by Israeli commandos.

The Free Gaza movement and its coalition partners, the European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza; IHH -- the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights, Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief; the International Committee to End the Siege on Gaza; Ship to Gaza Sweden and Ship to Gaza Greece are the only organizations that have sent boats directly to Gaza in defiance of Israel's criminal closure of the Gaza Strip.

We sail as an expression of citizen nonviolent, direct action, confronting Israel's ongoing abuses of Palestinian human and political rights.


Below is an approximate list of the Freedom Flotilla II - Stay Human participants

Spain - Gernicka, 30 passengers

France - Louise Michel, 24 passengers, 6 journalists

France - Dignity, 10 passengers, 1 journalist

Australia/Belgium/Canada/Denmark/Germany - Tahrir, 48 passengers, 9 journalists

Italy/Netherlands/Germany/Switzerland/Malaysia - Stefano Chiarini, 65 passengers, 5 journalists

Ireland - Saoirse, 20 passengers, 2 journalists

European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza - Freedom for All, 15 passengers

Greece/Sweden/Norway - Juliano, 25 passengers, 4 journalists

Greece/Sweden/Norway - Methimus #2 cargo boat, 15 passengers

United States - The Audacity of Hope, 40 passengers, 10 journalists

Freegaza - News section

I will update this thread documenting the progress of the Flotilla.
Hopefully this time there will be no bloodshed and that the Flotilla will reach its destination.

Can we please avoid the usual tit for tat arguments in this thread.
I would appeal to all that support this initiative not to be drawn into pointless arguments with those that will as per usual attempt to hijack the thread.

I also appeal to those that have objections to the Flotilla to refrain from entering the thread.


Show your support by posting messages of peace and solidarity.
I will ensure that these messages are passed on to those that are aboard the Freedom Flotilla...

Peace and Love to all...:smoke:

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:37 AM

Irish activists on Thursday accused Israel of sabotaging a ship that had been due to join a flotilla to challenge an Israeli blockade of Gaza, forcing the vessel's withdrawal.

The Irish Ship to Gaza (ISG) campaign said it "believes that Israel has questions to answer and must be viewed as the chief suspect in this professional and very calculating act of sabotage".

ISG said the propeller of the ship, the Saoirse, had been "sabotaged in a dangerous manner in the Turkish coastal town of Gocek, where it had been at berth for the past few weeks".

It said repairing the damage would take some time and therefore the Saoirse "cannot participate in Freedom Flotilla 2".

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 10:46 AM

I hope they get there in one piece. n that's bullshit about the Irish boat ):

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 03:40 PM

Why do they want to deliver so much aid to Hamas, when they've been caught over and over again selling it back to their own people for profit? Sorry bro, if you make a thread posing a PR flotilla as a peace flotilla, not everyone is going to believe you when all the facts point otherwise. If these flotilla nutjobs had half a brain they'd be going thru the UN instead of through Hamas, who is going to once again exploit their own people by dangling their aid in front of them on a pole, tagged with astronomical prices. At least the UN actually gives the aid to the people for free, that is, when Hamas doesn't try to expel UN workers with death threats. Smells fishy... but some of our noses it seems are plugged. You say you don't want tit and tat arguments, but those never really happen. What actually happens is you get proven wrong, then you accuse everyone who is doing the factual analysis of simply trying to sabotage your oh-so-important thread. Cry me a river.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:00 PM

From the Website & Blog of Socialist Party and United Left Alliance Member of European Parliament for Dublin, Ireland.

It has been a dramatic few days, which accounts for the slight pause in blogging.
The strategy of the Israeli state has become crystal clear. They intend to delay and disrupt the flotilla with any means at their disposal. At the start of this week, this had already resulted in a delay to the flotilla as ships in Greece were faced with complaints about their seaworthiness by the Israel Law Centre. So we began to settle in for a wait of a few more days in Gocek in Turkey.

On Monday, however, the crew took the boat out for a trip to get fuel. On the way, they noticed that there was something wrong with the propeller. It was clear that evening that they were concerned about it, but hoped that there was simply something caught in it.

On Tuesday, a diver was sent down to look at it and it quickly became evident that something much more serious was wrong – the propeller shaft had been damaged deliberately in an act of sabotage. When the boat was lifted onto a dry dock yesterday, this was confirmed. You can see some photos and a video report of the damage on the Irish Ship to Gaza website.....

Life-threatening sabotage damages MV Saoirse | Paul Murphy MEP

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IRISH SHIP TO GAZA » Blog Archive » MV SAOIRSE SABOTAGE PHOTOS AND VIDEO

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:03 PM

i wish both sides would just stfu .

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:20 PM

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 10:50 PM

Why do they want to deliver so much aid to Hamas, when they've been caught over and over again selling it back to their own people for profit? Sorry bro, if you make a thread posing a PR flotilla as a peace flotilla, not everyone is going to believe you when all the facts point otherwise. If these flotilla nutjobs had half a brain they'd be going thru the UN instead of through Hamas, who is going to once again exploit their own people by dangling their aid in front of them on a pole, tagged with astronomical prices. At least the UN actually gives the aid to the people for free, that is, when Hamas doesn't try to expel UN workers with death threats. Smells fishy... but some of our noses it seems are plugged. You say you don't want tit and tat arguments, but those never really happen. What actually happens is you get proven wrong, then you accuse everyone who is doing the factual analysis of simply trying to sabotage your oh-so-important thread. Cry me a river.


I think its a political flotilla to help bring awareness to the problem, thereby helping bring peace, so they were like "peace flotilla" because theyre trying to bring peace through awareness. this is just my speculation though. also, could you source some links about hamas ripping the people off? thats messed up.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:18 PM

sure thing Atman. and yes it is fucked.

Report: Hamas Selling Humanitarian Aid for Profit - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News

A journalist who visited Gaza found that Hamas is confiscating humanitarian goods donated by the international community and forcing Gaza Arabs to pay for them. The journalist, Mitchell Prothero, wrote an article about attitudes towards Hamas for the UAE paper The National.


Prothero spoke to a commander in the Islamic Jihad terrorist group, who complained about being forced to purchase medicine for his son when the medicine, donated by Norway, was clearly labeled “Not for resale.”


“I had to go to a Hamas pharmacy to make sure the pills weren't fake or made from poor materials in Egypt,” he explained. “If you want real medicine, you have to buy the aid Europe sends us.”


A Gaza businessman said, “If you're not in Hamas, you get nothing.”


Other Gaza residents who spoke to Prothero described Hamas as being firmly in control of life in Gaza. One said Hamas's armed forces – including police, military, and intelligence – currently number approximately 35,000, up from 6,000 four years ago.


While those Fatah leaders remaining in Gaza after the 2007 Hamas takeover appeared reluctant to challenge Hamas a second time, the organization faces opposition from another source: Gaza's growing Salafi Islam groups, which share their philosophy with Al-Qaeda and condemn Hamas as having done too little to impose Islamic law (Sharia).


One member of a radical Salafi group made an interesting claim, saying that his group had suffered more casualties in a particular neighborhood during Israel's counterterror operation Cast Lead than had Hamas. His report supports Israeli claims that hundreds of the Gaza Arabs killed in Cast Lead who were not Hamas members were armed fighters affiliated with other terrorist groups. Hamas has claimed that most of those killed were civilians.



Another article [ame="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d6_1231350274"]here[/ame]

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:28 PM

^^^^^^^^^^

Can you not just leave this out of this thread ?

Israel News ?
Really ?

Dude, Sometimes i wonder about you.
I sit here on my sofa and wonder. Where are you ?
Do you wear a uniform ?
Are you male or female ?

For once turn a blind eye. This thread is about the Freedom Flotilla that even the activists on board will admit is symbolic...
A gesture of support for the people of Gaza.
A message of solidarity..
The people on board these boats are real people not crazy terrorists.

Just leave it for once...

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:32 PM

Can you not just leave this out of this thread ?


I was clearly asked a question by TheAtmansPath.

Israel News ?
Really ?


yes Israel News. If you'll read the article you'll see it is quoting a journalist from a UAE paper. So don't worry, it doesn't REALLY have the mark of the lying Jew on it.

Dude, Sometimes i wonder about you.
I sit here on my sofa and wonder. Where are you ?
Do you wear a uniform ?
Are you male or female ?


What you are attempting to do is known as "profiling." It is the act of bigots. Since you have invoked my revealed nationality in attempt to discredit me before, I see right through these evidently bigoted questions.

Just leave it for once...


Nothing I have said is untruthful or wrong. Why are you so afraid of the truth about this "freedom" "peace" "hyperbole" flotilla?

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:43 PM

This thread is about the Freedom Flotilla that even the activists on board will admit is symbolic...
A gesture of support for the people of Gaza.
A message of solidarity..


you are aware they would like to wipe their neighbors off the face of the earth, right?

maybe if they quit electing crazy genocidal leaders, they won't have such a hard time getting more of the shit they need. just a thought.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:46 PM

I was asked a question by Atman. And yes Israel News. If you'll read the article you'll see it is quoting a journalist from a UAE paper. So don't worry, it doesn't REALLY have the mark of the Jew on it.


This gets funnier every time dude.
It has nothing to do with Jews. Israelis could be Mormons, Moonies or Hindus...
Is this desperation ?
Do you have to attempt to play your "ace" every time ?
I have stated a million times that i have zero problem with those of the Jewish faith.

Religion has nothing to do with it for me. I have spent a lot of time in the company of Muslims in an attempt to understand those of that faith better.

Guess what Jews, Muslims and Christians are no different. They all share the same aspirations.
Peace and the chance to live their lives by their beliefs.



What you are attempting to do is known as "profiling." It is the act of bigots.


No. Just interested.

Nothing I have said is untruthful or wrong. Why are you so afraid of the truth?


Where have i tried to engage you in an argument ?

Have a smoke and chill out.:smoke:

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:52 PM

I have stated a million times that i have zero problem with those of the Jewish faith.


This isn't about religion, it's about nationality and ethnicity. You seem to think everything that comes from the Hebrew nation-state is a lie, you just demonstrated that, from that I have no problem drawing the assumption I did. The flotilla idiots are going to give more aid to Hamas. Hamas is known for stealing the international aid and selling it back to its people at astronomical prices for profit. Get the fuck over it.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:54 PM

^^^^^^^
Ok...:wave:

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 12:52 AM

Didn't these flotilla guys admit to bringing sulfuric acid on board?

So let me get this straight; a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid is destined to be received by Hamas? The same guys who position rocket launching sites on top of schools and hospitals?

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 01:13 AM

It's a tough position to be in. It's definitely a symbolic defiance of Israel's blockade of Gaza. I understand that they do not want weapons being given to Hamas and everything. But I don't really trust their system of docking at the Ashdod port and transferring aid via land. If they allow Israel to inspect the flotillas and then continue to Gaza, I don't really see a problem with this.

It's just like when the US had a blockade of Cuba to block weapons. If Russia crossed the blockade they would have been shot at. The same thing is with Gaza. It's an area of high tension.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 01:48 AM

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It's just like when the US had a blockade of Cuba to block weapons. If Russia crossed the blockade they would have been shot at. The same thing is with Gaza. It's an area of high tension.


Let's not forget that Cuba never swore itself to the US's utter destruction, nor did it ever attack the US. So really it's a little more understandable that there is a blockade than this analogy would imply.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 04:22 AM

Didn't these flotilla guys admit to bringing sulfuric acid on board?

So let me get this straight; a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid is destined to be received by Hamas? The same guys who position rocket launching sites on top of schools and hospitals?


You could point out the worst actions of the IDF too, or just about anything in the world, and say "the same people that _____" to make it seem horrible and discredit the first part of the sentence. Watch how else it can be done:

"So let me get this straight; a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid is destined to be recieved by hamas? the same guys that devote up to 90% of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. Such services are not generally provided by the Palestinian government."

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 08:01 AM

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auSyo_VzVZ0]YouTube - ‪CrossTalk on Gaza: Flotilla 2.0‬‏[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHBMC-_gF9U]YouTube - ‪US Gaza Flotilla Terrorists Training - Secret - Audacity of Hope 2011‬‏[/ame]




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