PhyKing's MultiStrain, Perpetual Grow

Hello once again. My last grow was a bust. Ordered Automatic Blueberry (fem) and it came out male. But I am not peeved anymore, but I am still trying to get a refund or a replacement. Well onward and upward! I am starting my own little perpetual with a mother/clone cab then on to my flowering tent.

Right now the strains I am working with are White Rhino and Master Kush. Along the way I'll throw in a different strain every once in a while, if that strain proves to be better than one of my other plants final product, then I'll replace what I consider the lesser of the two. I am starting from seed so to save time I will be flowering the original plant, but while it is still in veg I will take a few cuttings and eventually make one a mother plant and the other one will be ready to go into flower. Once I have an established mother I plan on having a harvest about every two months. Sounds great!

Here's some stats as of now

Tent: 2x3x5' DxWxH metal framed tent with Panda Film for my sides.

Cab: 2x2x4' DxWxH made with wood sides painted bright white on the whole inside. This will be the Mother/clone box.

Light: 150w HPS All-In-One SunSystem(I may throw some extra CFL's in there if I feel I'm not getting enough lower light) After my first harvest I am going to save some money so I can bump up to 250 watts with a cool tube system

Soil: My own creation of sifted fruit/eggshell/ash compost Along with some new and recycled Fox Farms Ocean Forrest. All in all A 1/2 and 1/2 soil-compost mix then a 1/2 and 1/2 soil-perlite mix. I plan on brewing up some AACT here in a bit, would like some advice on some tea starter packs

Nutes: I will be using CNS17 veg nutes, I would use fox farm's Grow Big but I like that the CNS has a good dose of cal/mg, for flowering I will be using Fox Farm's Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom. Along with these I will also use Aloe Vera juice, maybe some org. Blackstrap Mollasses and every now and then some superthrive. Also for some defficiency fixes I got CalMg and some epsom salt wich I dont even think I'll use.

Fan: Dayton Blower Squirel Cage Fan Pushing a good 131 CFM, I know it's not the best fan but I can't really shell out a hundred bucks for a fan at this time. I cleaned and disinfected the whole tent and then did a test run for a day to see how the temps were in the summer. She did great, never saw it go over 80 deg.


I'll update about once a week unless some special new development arises. Every update will undoubtedly come with pics so stay tuned!

Well the Master Kush has sprouted yesterday, and thinking that it didnt look too photo worthy, with the seed shell still attached I waited untill today to take a pic of her. Looks healthy to me.
The White Rhino has just popped it's tail so she'll be goin into some soil here today.

Edited by phyking, 26 May 2011 - 10:25 PM.

Some pics ta get you all started

Ok little update, I have transplanted the master kush into a 2 gal pot, and everything went fine. The only problem I am having is that the pH is reading a little high, about 7.0, I have tried to lower it with 2 gallons of water Ph'ed at 5.5 but it still didn't go down that much. I would like it to be about 5.5-6 maybe to 6.5 for veg but the only thing I can think of to do would be a flush with 6 gals of water at again 5.5, but it seems too early in the game to do a flush. Any ideas?

I can allready tell that the master is gonna be a heavyhitting indica, the first set of leaves are very broad/wide now the second set has developed and I'm thinking that these are going to be even wider. Can't wait for a good ol' fashioned bodyhigh! That's is mostly what I'm shooting for when I choose strains for medicinal purposes.

Now the news on the white rhino, she(hopefully) has opened her leaves up entierly, I put both under my hps using a 20/4 light scheduel. I know a hps isn't the preferred light for vegging but I make do.

There is one weird thing though, I think I have mixed up the white rhino with strawberry cough. It may be too ealy to tell but the first set of leaves are very thin, and to my knowledge White Rhino is an indica dominant hybrid while the Cough is the complete opposite. IDK we'll just have to wait and see. If it is the cough then that could screw up some things because I was planning to scrog but with an indica and sativa side by side I think it is going to get a little tricky. I'll need help in the future with that.

I'll edit in some pics in about an hour or so.

Edited by phyking, 30 May 2011 - 08:35 PM.

High gang! sorry for this time laps from my last post. I've been busy these last few days and posting slipped my mind. Since my last post a lot has happened, the white rihno, and it is the white rihno, is doing very well, I moved her into a 2 gal bucket and she'll stay in there for another 2 weeks or so. Now the master kush is HUGE, shes only a few days ahead of the rhino but shes almost 3 time the wr's size. Idk I guesse she's just a fast grower.

I plan on taking a clone off of the master here in the next 2-3 days. Then, probably about 2 weeks later I'll take a clone of the wr. After that I will put these plants into flower, if ones male I'll pull it out and then grow out the female, then I will grow out the clone that I know came from the female plant, cut more clones off and thus a perpetual grow is born!

I'm having trouble with lowering the pH with my homemade soil, so I mixed a new bag of ffof and my own soil and a 50/50 soil/perlite. I transplanted the wr into this new soil and I gotta say she's lovin it.



The White Rhino


WR side


The Master Kush


MK side

Ok so today I will be completing my scrog setup. I bought pvc pipes, their fittings and really strong wire for the screen. I drilled holes on one side only all the way down the center of each pipe, 2.5" between each hole. With the wire I will go in and out the next hole down and then take it to the other side of pvc, so it will look like the wires are just coming out of the holes. Now I read on the plant training forum the scrog sticky and it said to do 1.75x1.75" for 150 watts of lighting. Although mine isn't 1.75x1.75 it is still within the cubic feet to light ratio.

Oh and I have got a question. When the scrog is up and running and its got a bunch of foliage in it and whatnot how should I water the pots? Should I make something under neith them to catch the water and then just pull it out?

Sorry man! Didn't know this was going! I'm sub'd now!

Your gonna want to design something to catch the water under the plants like I have. Just put something together so you can water/feed and catch the runoff then drain the runoff after. Once you have the plants in place under the screen they aren't coming out!

What you wanna do is decide how far above the soil you want your screen... If you have no height restrictions and you are not in a hurry to get the plants done then I'd recommend 10-12" or even more if you so choose! Like I said mine is at 14".

After you have your screen up you want to continue to veg the plants till the screen is about 75-80% full. Making sure to train the plants every day or two. I'm at about 50 days of veg right now, and pry a couple weeks left.

I'm stoned and rambling so if you have more questions let me know! Haha!!

Edited by TheWaterBoy, 16 June 2011 - 12:04 AM.

Sorry man! Didn't know this was going! I'm sub'd now!

Your gonna want to design something to catch the water under the plants like I have. Just put something together so you can water/feed and catch the runoff then drain the runoff after. Once you have the plants in place under the screen they aren't coming out!

What you wanna do is decide how far above the soil you want your screen... If you have no height restrictions and you are not in a hurry to get the plants done then I'd recommend 10-12" or even more if you so choose! Like I said mine is at 14".

After you have your screen up you want to continue to veg the plants till the screen is about 75-80% full. Making sure to train the plants every day or two. I'm at about 50 days of veg right now, and pry a couple weeks left.

I'm stoned and rambling so if you have more questions let me know! Haha!!

Word word. That 50 days of veging though seems longggg. I usually try to start flowering within a month from sprouting. Could I start flowering with it less filled out? But other than that I put my screen in there just to see how it looks and everything, the buckets that the girls are in now are only 2 gals but the ones I'll transplant them into are both 5 gals and they come within 10 inches from the screen, so I think That will be perfect.

Ok, so I'm going to let it grow up into the screen and then as the branches get taller I just keep spreading each one out, square by square. Oh and I was thinking of topping the plants but do you think that it wont realy matter since im doing scrog, or does topping her make her growth better for that type of training? Hmm idk get back at me Water!

Heres a pic of the screen in my tent.


More screen


Decided to take some porn shots
White Rhino



Here's the Master Kush, she's been really droopy lately, and her oldest fan leaves are turning kina yellow. I'm kinda thinking that it may be a N toxidity, I basically made the soil from leftover soil from a previous grow and mixed in compost but I also added a lot of ash into the mix, for an organic N. So with the ash and the regular veg nute feedings I think It may be too much, so for the next few weeks I am just going to do water with maybe a few additives, calmg maybe some big bloom.


Group shot.

good stuff, we got the same size tent!

Hey man! Yeah you might have enough nutes in the soil to feed the girls without the veg nutes. I would do some water only waterings to see how she responds.

I topped this grow twice. I would recommend ya top! Can't have to may tops in a ScrOG.

That's the thing with a ScrOG... In order to get the yield to be higher from using a screen you have to veg for a bit longer. I'll keep poking in here and let ya know when I think you should flower. I think I'm gonna flip the switch a bit early this time just so I can get my perpetual up and running.

What kind of 5 gallon containers you putting them into?

Peace brother! Happy growing!

Btw - the white rhino looks stellar!

Hey man! Yeah you might have enough nutes in the soil to feed the girls without the veg nutes. I would do some water only waterings to see how she responds.

I topped this grow twice. I would recommend ya top! Can't have to may tops in a ScrOG.

That's the thing with a ScrOG... In order to get the yield to be higher from using a screen you have to veg for a bit longer. I'll keep poking in here and let ya know when I think you should flower. I think I'm gonna flip the switch a bit early this time just so I can get my perpetual up and running.

What kind of 5 gallon containers you putting them into?

Peace brother! Happy growing!

Yea thats what I'm thinking, since it doesn't really respond to watering as much anymore unlike the wr. So I am going to top and make that a clone I think. The buckets I have are just the normal black pots from the hydro store. Same as the black one in the pic but bigger.

Btw - the white rhino looks stellar!

Hells yea the wr looks good. I'm lovin this plant

good stuff, we got the same size tent!

Gracias sire. Go tents!

Ok I just topped the master, and used that cutting for a clone. I cut it at a 45* angle and emediatly put it in to a cup of water with a pH set to 6.0. I let the water go about 1/4"-1/2" inch up the stem, then dipped it into rooting hormone powder and poked it into a rockwool cube with it's pH adjusted to 6.0. The only thing I could find that would act as a humidity dome was this big like clear mixingbowl thing, but it has holes on the top. Do you think that might let too much of the humidty out? There are only like 12 pencil sized holes at the very bottom(or when flipped over like I'm doing, the top) so it might not be that big of a deal.

All we can do now is prey... I'll post pics in a little

Edited by phyking, 18 June 2011 - 03:19 AM.

Heres the little girl that I have cloned. I know she's a little too small but I think she'll do fine. It doesn't seem like any air got into the stem since she's still standing and looking normal. I cut all the leaves in half but I cut off two big leaves that were on there completly because it just didn't look right, eh. The reason the pic isnt too good is because I took of the dome and put a ziploc bag over her for a little humidity dome. For light I am just using 2 26 watt cfls one 2700k one 6500k on a 24/7 light scheduel. I think I'll change that to 19/5 once she gets a good root system. If you're seein something wrong tell me!

I look forward to seeing how the cloning goes!

As do I Water my boy... As do I

Some pic updates. Both are getting huge but I am still working on the master kush' problem. I did another feeding of only water pH'ed at 6.5 along with 1/4 tsp tiger bloom so she still has a little bit of a nute intake. Hope it is an N toxidity, hopefully this will be taken care of soon. If not I can trans plant early so she has that fresh soil thats perfect for her and maybe that will balance out her system. The white rhino still has to problems(knock on wood) so she got fed with a good dose of cns17 veg nutes with a little calmg+ in there wich is great and I added in some blackstrap mollases, can't remember if thats only for flowering but I didn't add too much, and a little bit of superthrive.

Enjoy the porn you perv's





Here's the WR


WR again, my cam died as i was taking this pic

Ok so a little update. The master kush is not responding. At this point I'm lost, so the only thing I could think of to giver her a frsh start was to transplant her. So from a 2 gal of shit soil she now has 3 more gals of fresh ffof at about a 50/50 perlite/soil ratio. I know they set their soil to 6.5 so I don't have to worry about that at all and she's got the right amount of nutes allready in the soil to make her comeback. Prey with me fellas

I'll post pics later tonight i gotta go to work

I love Ocean! I run a 30/70 - Perlite/Ocean mix.

Was she root bound at all?

I love Ocean! I run a 30/70 - Perlite/Ocean mix.

Yea that's probably closer to what I am at, I put a bunch in there this time. But now I think I am goiung to have to flush 2 times well 3 times counting the final flush, since I transplanted her so early, but I think she should be just fine, I know the soil is ganna get worn out near the end and thats gonna use up a lot of nutes, specialy big bloom since you use so much of that stuff anywho

Was she root bound at all?

Very root bound, I tried to get some of that bad soil off just by grabing chunks off and I couldn't really, it rooted throughout the whole 2 gals. Especialy the bottom, very hairy

Edited by phyking, 24 June 2011 - 06:09 AM.