G13 Haze, Trainwreck, AK-47, White Widow, and few test rats

This is my first hydro attempt. I started 6 bag seeds to test out the hydro setup before I got the good stuff in. Bought the seeds from single seed centre. Got them after 3 weeks of ordering..not that bad. If you have any experience with these strains, don't hesitate to give a helping hand if something don't look right

The seeds I decided to sprout are (1x of each - all feminized):

Barney's Farm - G13 Haze
Green House - White Widow
Royal Dutch Genetics - Trainwreck
Serious - AK-47
And 6 swag bag seeds for test rats

Guess I should give some detail on the gear I'll be using.

400w HPS/MH conversion
8x 4' T12s
FloraDuo nutes
2' x 3' Flood trays
5 x 5 ft Grow rooms

And now on to the good stuff!

Germinated the 4 strains Feb. 15th and 6 bagseed was cracked Jan 20th.


Fast forward time..weeee

March 20:
4 Strains under ~175 ppm (1/3 strength)



AK-47:


White Widow:


G13 Haze:


Trainwreck: This one is growing funky! I know it's supposed to grow wild but I'm not sure if it's more sensative to nutes/ph than the other girls.



And the 6 ugly looking bagseeds: around 750 ppm (20 tsp each A &

Edited by panicindastreet, 21 March 2011 - 07:25 PM.

welcome to the hydro forums! it's a little quiet around here compared to the "indoor grow journal" section so be sure to cruise over there for some activity. post up in journals and have a signature link-back to yours, get you some better traffic.

I had a few questions....

1. do you have good ventilation? I didn't see any mention of it.
2. are you using that drip system on the bagseed too?
3. will the drippers be your method for veg and flower?
4. are you recirculating nutrients or drain-to-waste?

5. HOW ARE THOSE FLORADUO? I'm a big GH fan but their website is so outdated. Nothing about the new flora duo. Do you have a feeding chart with them? are they super thick like the flora micro / flora nova? or more liquid like the flora bloom?

6. do you have a second room for flowering? what are you going to do w/ the bagseed when they're ready to flower but your new seeds will surely still be young?

it's going to get really crowded in there! I have 6 plants running on a 2'x4' table in a 3x5 room...and it's way too much for how long I veg'd. Beware!

Edited by qnpq, 21 March 2011 - 01:58 AM.

welcome to the hydro forums! it's a little quiet around here compared to the "indoor grow journal" section so be sure to cruise over there for some activity. post up in journals and have a signature link-back to yours, get you some better traffic.

I had a few questions....

1. do you have good ventilation? I didn't see any mention of it.
2. are you using that drip system on the bagseed too?
3. will the drippers be your method for veg and flower?
4. are you recirculating nutrients or drain-to-waste?

5. HOW ARE THOSE FLORADUO? I'm a big GH fan but their website is so outdated. Nothing about the new flora duo. Do you have a feeding chart with them? are they super thick like the flora micro / flora nova? or more liquid like the flora bloom?

6. do you have a second room for flowering? what are you going to do w/ the bagseed when they're ready to flower but your new seeds will surely still be young?

it's going to get really crowded in there! I have 6 plants running on a 2'x4' table in a 3x5 room...and it's way too much for how long I veg'd. Beware!

1. oscillating fans for time being. with the cooler temps in basement, i havent had to have any temp control..maybe in summer time I will have to take methods to lower the temps.

2. bagseed is on ebb n flow - 3 times a day for 15 min.



3. Still debating if I will keep using ebb n flow method...too many trips to wally world for 15gal (i use so much so I dont have to top off that often) each time. Im liking the drip system more to be honest. It's easier to discard, easier to clean the 5gal bucket than a 25gal res, and only need 3 gal to last 1-1.5 week. only con to using the 5gal res is the faster rising in pH than the 15 gallons.

4. recirculating, you think im gonna throw away money? LOL

5. well, it's the first nute i've used so don't really have anything to compare it to..but it seems to be working well. The A part seems to be a lil thicker than B but both have a mild viscosity. I think I have been too cautious with the ppm though. raised the bagseed from 350 (mild grow blend 1tsp ea per gal - but did 10 tsp ea for 15gal) to 750 (normal grow blend 2 tsp ea per gal - did 20 tsp ea for 15gal) ppm a week ago. when its ready for flower, ill skip the mild and normal bloom formulas and use 1 tsp A 3 tsp B per gal (tweak a lil bit so not so strong then gradually make stronger)

6.yes I have 2 seperate rooms, one of which is still under construction (needs plastic and mylar stapled up)...its a pain with a plastic roll 10x50 folded up 4 ways! I'll be finishing the other room by wednesday and will post pics. I'm still debating if I should switch to 12/12 for bagseed this week or maybe wait for more growth?

So I was going to finish up the flowering room last night but decided to go to local hardware store for materials to make a DIY carbon filter before I stank up the house even more (the smell from basement is lingering to the other two stories of the house and it's just veg lol). Everything turned out good until I opened up the activated carbon carton from the pet store..majority of it was crushed and powdery, which seeped through 3 layers of panty hose. So now I'm debating to take a loss on the 50 bucks for materials or order pellet sized carbon off the net. Has anyone else done this? If so, where did you get your activated carbon for a bargain?

PS. gonna be busy til Friday so will have to wait til then to put up plastic and mylar in flowering room to switch the bagseed to 12/12....the tallest plant is already lil over 2 feet tall so uh yea...they are definitely ready haha

I got a lot done yesterday with the rooms! I put up the plastic and mylar in the flowering room and a tent door to the veg room since it won't get as hot in there with the T12s.

I put the bagseed to flowering with the 400w hps on 3/26 and changed the res for strong bloom blend of floraduo (820 ppm) and will top it off with just B (bloom part) over time to raise its ppm. I also changed the res for the 4 little girls to moderate grow blend (600 ppm). I figured the ladies were ready for some more food since they all got 4 nodes or more. Also, since the bagseed was moved over to other room, I can finally put the fluros just inches from the beautiful ladies. In just one day, I can tell a difference in growth compared to distance of the fluros. I have feeling the lil ones will start taking off now with some breathing room.

I ordered another ph since the last one's electrode busted open and also have a 55 lb carbon filter w/ 570 cfm fan on the way..all should be here by monday or tuesday at the latest.

For now on, I'll do weekly pic updates for all the viewers out there. Let me know what you guys think about the grow. Thanks

And on to the pics

Trainwreck -bottomleft - slowest of them all. do you see three shoots instead of 2?? maybe cause of mutation? nonetheless..i'll let her do what she wants hehe

AK-47 - bottomright - i kinda hurt her the other day when i was moving the table..couple of her fan leaves broke but she will be ok in long run

G13 - topright - shortest of them all but looks like it will be a bushy one

White Widow - topleft - not much to say but doing very well!

good update, nice work with the rooms. very clean.

does the floraduo have any feeding instructions? like for veg/transition/bloom?

can you do me a fav and take an up-close pic of the back of the label? I wanna see the guaranteed analysis and its derivatives. My store doesn't have the Floraduo in stock.

Something like this (this was comparing old GH Micro vs. new GH Micro)


Thanks!

hey qnpq, thanks for the kind words. you seem to be the only one interested hehe

here's some shots of my bottles of nutes. green label is A (grow) and purple label is B (bloom)

no worries dude. sometimes takes a while for people to tune in. whatever don't let it get you down. I only have a few visitors at my journal, doesn't matter

it's interesting the label doesn't mention hydroponics specifically. It only mentions mediums like soil/soil-mixes and coco.

look at the bottom of the first pic. mentions hydroponic res top-up. the local hydro store i got the bottles from were using floraduo in one of their ebb n flow displays and the lettuce was doing very well. and the dude mentioned about lucas method and recommended this instead. didn't hurt to try and seems like it is working out for me

oh no shit, it does say hydro there...I just read the part in the first paragraph where it says "prepared soil, coco blends, garden soil" ...whooops

I was thinking this was their more recent formulation in a 2-part series or it was possibly of "organic" origins like humic acids & such. But it's pretty much the same stuff just in a 2part I think (compared to regular Flora series)

I'm lovin my General Hydroponics nutes...stable and easy...pretty affordable.

its not quiet...people are just rude and dont show support....good job man!

hey dread. thanks for stopping by and the compliments

Got the carbon filter, fan, and new ph meter in today..surprisingly my ph wasn't too far off with the vial and drip tester. I'm running the filter as a scrubber right now until I get time to run to hardware store for some 8" duct piping then I will run it out the basement window. Any suggestions on a clean and inconspicuous method to feed the air out the window? FYI, the electric meter is near the window and it gets checked monthly. The air is filtered ofc so there won't be a smell outside but I kinda don't want to have it obvious looking.

Subed!

welcome arnold! hope you enjoy the show : )

Alot of growth for the 4 ladies in veg room!

Got some nute burn on the ak-47 and caused a couple fan leaves to look rusty and discolored so i clipped them off (660 ppm). Rest of the plants seem to be doing well with the ppms so not going to lower it unless it gets worse by next week. AK-47 is growing alot taller than the other three so should I go ahead and top/FIM it to prevent me having to tilt the fluros so much? I already knew when planting these seeds that the AK would tend to grow taller but at this rate I'm going to have trouble distributing light to all plants at decent distance. Also, mentioned in previous week, the trainwreck has shown in more detail what the "mutation" or whatever has turned into. I guess it will be fine but worried the yield on it will be affected due to the odd growth patterns.

The 6 plants in flowering have been under 12/12 for one week now. Still no signs of sex..hopefully in another week I'll be able to see something. I cut off all the lower fan leaves from them to get more light to the colas. The ones that I didn't top last week I topped today and will set up a scrog as soon as sex is shown on all to discard the males before putting up the screen. PPM is around 960 and PH is 5.8 for both rooms. If I left anything out, just ask away..I'd like more impute from you all!

And here are the pics

Pic #:
2. Trainwreck
3. AK-47
4. G-13 Haze
5. White Widow

Edited by panicindastreet, 03 April 2011 - 05:46 AM.

Keep it up...lookn good!

So do you all think I should top the AK-47 so early in veg since it's growing taller than the rest? I feel like the light is so close to it and so far away from the others that the AK-47 will continue to grow even taller than the rest. Will take any suggestions

how bout some lst?

how bout some lst?

I second that! good suggestion

Update:

Had to lower the ppm's on both res. Flowering is under 600 ppm and Veg is under 400 ppm. The AK-47 got even worse with nute burn while the other 3 plants weren't affected at all..which seems like it will hinder the growth of them since ppm is lowered. Also somewhat fixed the height problem by moving around the plants so the taller ones are on the side of the flood tray that is lower in level for drainage purposes. Will post pics of the bad nute burn spreading of the AK-47 either later tonight or tomorrow. Also, the bagseed is finally starting to show sex. I know of two plants that are definitely female and will have to wait for the others to catch up. Will also take pics of that once all are showing. I finally decided to put the veg room under 24 hour light. Any opinions on doing this? Good/Bad? Only thing that I have read to be a negative to 24 hour veg is more electricity consumption which isn't a big concern to me considering they are just T12 fluros.

Edited by panicindastreet, 06 April 2011 - 02:18 PM.