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Smoking -vs- Vaping


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:smoke: So I got my first vaporizer a few months back and while I've been more than happy with it, It seems theres a distinct difference in the high/kind of high that you get vaping vs. smoking...not necessarily lacking...just different. :smoke:


Does anybody else notice this?
Do both methods get you the same 'kind' of high?
Do you only smoke or only vape during a session? Or do you mix the two, and why?
Do you find yourself liking smoking more or vaping more, and why?

Let me hears whats on your mind..
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i half my weed one for smoking one for vaping right now i will be vaping for a few days till i can get my next sack

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It requires more bud to get high by smoking.

Vaporizing gets you higher faster with less bud.

Smoking gets you higher overall.

That is the circle you should follow.

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It's different for me too. I never mix the two methods in the same session. I either feel like doing one or the other and like to keep them separate. I like vaporizing more during the daytime or when going out with friends because I tend to be more focused and less forgetful.

I understand that the effects are strain dependent but vaporizing tends to give me a sativa like high from most any strain I have. Smoking is far more variable depending on the genetics.

Both methods are very enjoyable for there own reasons. If I had to pick one I'd stay with vaporizing. Thankfully I don't have to do that and can choose which is best for any given situation.

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For those who like the smoking high for night time it is also worth considering just taking one fat bong rip and then getting in the rest of one's thc via vaporization. You can get similar effects with less health concern and waste.

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For those who like the smoking high for night time it is also worth considering just taking one fat bong rip and then getting in the rest of one's thc via vaporization.

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unnecessary:


Go ahead and post your copypaste macros but it doesn't change the fact that smoking can have qualitatively different effects that you can't quite get with vaporizing. Certain effects from smoking are likely due to unique compounds and oxidation processes (which will yield different cannabinoid ratios) produced by the redox process.

How about some useful pictures?

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As far as vaping goes, at first I would switch back-n-forth evenly between straight vaping and hooking it up to the water pipe. At some point though I noticed particles making their way into my mouth when just using the whip (which I assume means particles are getting inhaled).

So I switched to only the bong and now I don't vape really without using my water pipe adapter..cools the vapor down so much and I figure the extra filtration is just that much healthier for me. Anybody else run into this as well? :smoke::smoke:

Posted Image Good stuff everybody, keep it coming. I'd try to describe the difference between the high of vaping and the high of smoking, but I haven't been able to pinpoint the subtle difference. Posted Image

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In order to fully understand and appreciate the most important cannabinoids, we first have to take a look at how they are produced inside the plant from lesser, precursor compounds.

By looking at this picture we get a better view of the metabolic pathway that leads to the desired psychoactive product called THC.

The metabolic chain that leads to THC starts when geranyl pyrophosphate combines with olivetolic acid, in order to create cannabigerolic acid (CBGA). This carboxylic acid is the shared precursor of all the three major cannabinoids that can be found in the plant; THC, CBD and CBC.

The cannabigerolic acid then forms into the carboxylic acid precursor of each of the named compounds. Cannabichromenic acid (CBCA) turns into the nonpsychoactive compound CBC. Cannabidiolic acid (CBDA) turns into the therapeutic cannabinoid CBD and finally tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) turns into the much sought after and highly psychoactive cannabinoid THC or tetrahydrocannabinol.

The carboxylic acids are characterized by the presence of the carboxyl group (-COOH). The carboxyl group splits off from the acid compounds through a process called decarboxylation, giving rise to CO2 in the process. This happens with age (curing) or when they are heated (smoked), effectively turning them into the final products. The curing process that the buds go through inside the jars, can actually be considered a slow decarboxylation process, so the result is the same. This however means that the plant can contain both the carboxylic acid form of THC as well as the finished product. More or less, depending on when it is measured.

THC later oxidizes and is reduced into CBN further down the chain, which is why we keep our buds in airtight jars. The oxidation process is also sped up with high temperature and light, which is why it's a good idea to store your buds in a cool and dark place. The process cannot however be halted completely, which means that very old bud will contain mostly this degradation product.

This biological production of the much desired THC compound that has made the cannabis plant so famous, all take place inside something called a trichome. Trichomes are fine outgrowths or appendages on plants that resemble crystal mushrooms in cannabis. Trichomes are not unique to cannabis plants but the psychoactive components that can be found in it are.
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These "mushrooms" are in fact stalked, glandular containers of cannabis oil, which matures as it goes through the transformation into THC from lesser cannabinoid compounds.

THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRICHOME GLANDS

Trichomes are fine outgrowths or appendages on plants, also called resin glands. Trichomes can vary in size and structure depending on the plant in question. We are however only interested in the trichomes found on cannabis plants.

There are three known types of glands that occur on the cannabis plant.
They are most heavily concentrated on the floral parts of the female plant:
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Bulbous
These types of gland are the smallest (15-30 micron across). Anywhere from one to four cells make up the "foot" and "stalk," and one to four cells make up the "head" of the gland. They can be found everywhere on the surface of the plant that is above ground level. Head cells secrete a resin, presumably cannabinoids, and related compounds that accumulate between the head cells and the cuticle.
Capitate – Sessile
The second type of gland is larger (25 to 100 micrometers) and more numerous than the bulbous glands. They are called capitate, which means having a globular-shaped head. On immature plants, the heads lie flush, appearing not to have a stalk and are called capitate sessile. They have a stalk that is one cell high, although it may not be visible beneath the globular head. These cells secrete cannabinoids and related compounds.
Capitate – Stalked
These type of glands appear during flowering and occur especially on the bracts subtending a flower and seed and also small leaves that accompany the flowers. They contain the highest concentration of cannabinoids and can range in size from 150 – 500 microns. The male flowers also have stalked glands, but they are smaller and less concentrated than on the female plant. These resin glands contain the most THC, which is also why they are the most important. Good cannabis plants have mostly capitate-stalked glandular trichomes and in very high concentration.

(The structures pointed out by the red arrow is a cystolith hair that lack the bulbous head of the other trichomes.)

In order to determine the dominant type of trichome on your plant, you will need to look at the female flowers through magnification. Although different plants may seem as frosty as the next, it is actually the dominant type of trichome and the concentration in which it occurs that determines the potency of the final product.

The capitate-stalked glandular trichome changes color as it matures. Newly formed and immature glands are clear, glands reaching optimum THC production are cloudy or milky and amber trichomes have already passed their peak. By looking at the trichomes you can also determine the best time to harvest your plants. When most trichomes have gone cloudy and a few amber ones have appeared, the plant is at its peak.
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INSIDE THE TRICHOME

THC and other cannabinoids are produced mostly in one place on the cannabis plant:
inside the heads of the capitate-stalked trichomes.
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How it happens:

Organelles produced by the plant called Vacuoles - which contain phenols, a chemical compound similar to alcohol and another type of organelle called plastids - containing hydrocarbons called terpenes, make their way up the trichome stalk and combine inside the secretory cavity into a fibrous mat. This concentrated mat is hit by UV-B light waves, causing the creation of cannabinoids. Since all of the psychoactive ingredients are produced inside the trichome, these tiny resin heads have long been sought after by hash and oil makers and can be separated from the plant and harvest in a variety of ways.
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Cannabis and many other plants have evolved resin trichomes for variety of uses. They protect the plant from UVB light rays, especially Cannabis plant since THC has very good UV-B light absorption. It protects the plant from insects and animals and also provides protection for buds from low humidity and harsh winds.

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Vape all day everyday, thats my moto anyways

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AFter vaping for so long now, smoking seems like it's messy and can have a bad taste. Plus it can irritate my lungs

The taste of vaped weed is so much better and the high is better to me

I personally don't save much cannabis by vaping........


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I save tons bro.. I made a quarter of skunk #1 last me 2 weeks and thats pretty good considering i usually only vape by myself or with one friend daily... I usually vape about 3 times a day on days off of class and twice on days i have class.. I like to get toasty in the mornings before my world lit class :smoke: haha

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I like to get toasty in the mornings before my world lit class

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i always use to hit this before it, infact it was in my pocket during class
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Haha that class sucks so bad.. I have a 93 question test monday, damn mid terms

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Does your vape display what temperature you have it set at? Vaping at different temperatures will change the high. The lower the temperature, the clearer/more functional high. Higher temperatures result in a more narcotic/intoxicated high (closer to smoking).

I've read that 365F is the "perfect" temp, but I found this to be somewhat harsh and smokey at times, so I'll usually dial it back to 350-360.

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Does your vape display what temperature you have it set at? I've read that 365F is the "perfect" temp.

i dont go lower than 205

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Related to smoking, do you use a bic/lighter, beeline, something else? I've been wanting to get away from lighters..something similar to the Herb Iron or maybe just always taking solar hits seems like its a better route? What do you guys think?

I definitely prefer how the vape 'uses' less and the high is plenty intense for me, but I still get cravings to smoke and thoroughly enjoy how smoking treats me.

What about hash/kief..that kinda stuff, which method do you guys prefer, why? :smoke::smoke:

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beeline/hempwick always increased the taste of plant matter, im sure the consensus on best combusting method is the herb iron, dunno who would claim to enjoy inhaling a fuel source for fire

vapes come pretty close to bbqing bud

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i usually smoke to get a nice base high then i'll vape some keif to just take it to the next level.

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are ppl who smoke first using crackhead bill vapes?Posted Image
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