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rick simpson hash oil miracle cure- questions

Discussion in 'Apprentice Marijuana Consumption' started by fukinricheous, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. So I watched all those videos claiming that hash oil could cure all sorts of ailments and is very good for you.
    I bought some hash oil from a friend, and gave it to another friend who was excited about it so she could make lotion. I told her to use coconut oil and whatever other aloes etc she wants.

    She made the lotion before I was going to help her and did not cook the oils together, she simply mixed it all up. Also, I do not know by who or how the hash oil was made although I think it was the butane method.

    My question: Is there something unique about the hash oil that is used as a 'miracle cure?'
    Is her lotion not going to work since she did not cook it to infuse the thc into the coconut oil?


    Thanks guys, ive been a little bummed because she was all excited for it, and now thinks it doesnt work and I got her shitty stuff. I think she made it wrong although Ive never made lotion.
     
  2. I'm pretty sure Rick uses some other type of method. His "hash oil" is not really hash oil. He just calls it that. I think you have to do some more research. I'm just trying to remember the High Times article about it haha. Anyways yeah I'm 90% sure you definitely did it wrong. I think its pretty complex.
     
  3. #3 chadddd, Feb 28, 2011
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    lmaoooooooo

    what a waste of hash oil.

    in ricks method, you take like a pound of marijuana plants, and put them in a huge boiling pot of 90% iso alcohol and stir and mash.

    Then when its mostly boiled up, theres going to be some tar looking stuff at the bottom.

    Thats how you make it lol. youre just retarded

    Name calling? Disrespect? Seriously, if you have nothing positive to contribute, then stay the hell out of the thread. -Durchii
     

  4. woah chill with the hate,


    to op maybe try it anyways?
     
  5. yeah shes been using it for 2 months and said she isnt impressed and doesnt think it works, ima have to reapproach this next time i crop out. they use buds right, not trimmings?
     
  6. Wtf? She doesn't deserve any hash oil. What an idiot, make lotion out of hash oil? Seriously? This chick is a moron. Don't waste any of it on her AGAIN.
     
  7. Damn theres some fucking hate going around.
     
  8. fuk all this hate. The chick happens to be my mother, who has never smoked pot and has always been very against smoking. She really liked the rick simpson/ phoenix tears/ hemp oil concept and asked me to make her lotion. Before I had a chance to even cook it, she mixed it up herself the first night I got it after I had gone to sleep. You guys don't need to be dicks, I dont mind at all burning 120$ trying to make my mom happy, and hopefully I will do it right next time.

    Has anyone actually done it? how hard is it?
     
  9. She dun goofed, sorry to say man.
    I don't know much about making body oils specifically but I figure when it comes to a lotion, infusing the thc to fat molecules is critical.

    Also, if she is using it for external use I would recommend using a heavy indica strain.
    If she just wants relief throughout, try to make some edibles. They're a lot easier to make and I'm sure have less room for failure when it comes to preparation.

    Sorry I can't help you with the oil making specifically.
     
  10. :smoke::wave:
    It's all good, what is she using it for?

    "My question: Is there something unique about the hash oil that is used as a 'miracle cure?' "

    No, cannabis is the "miracle cure"


    "Is her lotion not going to work since she did not cook it to infuse the thc into the coconut oil?"

    It should work fine, tell her to use it all up.

    "Thanks guys, ive been a little bummed because she was all excited for it, and now thinks it doesnt work and I got her shitty stuff. I think she made it wrong although Ive never made lotion. "

    She's not expecting to get "stoned" is she? What exactly are you two expecting from it?

    Don't pay any attention to the "kids" making dick comments, it's in there nature.:rolleyes:

    Peace...:smoke:
     

  11. Uhhh, You BARELY answered his questions, stop trying to make it seem like you are "superior" to these "kids" Were all equal, granted some of their comments were rude and not needed but still.
    I do realise my previous comment did not answer all of the OPs questions.

    Last time I checked, don't the active chemicals release when the compound is heated to no more then 350F while submerged in a fatty substance or alcohol?

    Mixing the bud/trimmings/hash/hash oil with a lotion will not work properly, At least, that is how it works for edibles, Like I stated previously, I don't know much about making oils or let alone hash.

    And, in my opinion what OP and his mother are trying to achieve is basically a "dragon balm" if you will with it's main ingredient being cannabis.
    It doesn't get the user high, just relieves pain from the treated area.

    Hopefully that helps OP a bit..
     
  12. #12 stickey_fingerz, Mar 6, 2011
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    like the poster above me mentioned ignore the immaturity in this thread..

    lotion is actually a great idea, especially if it is to treat a surface ailment..

    now 1 big difference between rick simpsons "hemp oil" what most people NOW call "cannabis extract medicine" because of the confusion between "hemp" the industrial legal kind you can find in your local healthcare store or health aisle at the grocery store.. and rick simpsons HEMP oil..

    the biggest and most distinguishing factor being that rick simpson uses cannabis NOT hemp.. THUS WHY WE REFER TO IT AS "CANNABIS EXTRACT MEDICINE", there is too much confusion between the 2 completely different products..

    main thing to know is.. the hash oil you obtained which was probably made by butane did not extract enough of the medicine(thc, cbd's, cbn's, cbda's etc etc etc) the butane extraction process basically strips whatever thc or trichomes are on the outside of the buds and thats what you get...

    by using rick simpsons method of stirring and mashing you squeeze and get deep into the plant matter extracting even more of the medicine that is being held in the stems and trunks of the cannabis plant USE EVERYTHING GROWN also some people use multiple solvents at seperate times.. do a wash with naptha(which is what rick simpson uses in his video) then they'll do isopropyl alcohol.. all these different solvents are able to get deeper and deeper then the next one..

    ALSO go to phoenixtears.ca and there should be a link on the page for a sub-forum of the site i recommend going there also.. look up the members "ThePhantom" and "CLINTON" on HERE"grasscity" they are both well versed on "CANNABIS EXTRACT MEDICINE.."

    for all the immature posters in this thread.. BHO ain't the shit we need to cure cancer thats just great for dabbin and gettin high on... for the people on this real medicine level THEY AREN'T EVEN GETTING STONED USING IT ANYMORE...
     
  13. Uhhh, don't get butt hurt, my comment wasn't directed at you as your original comment was not a dick comment.:p This one was though, lol.:devious:

    What questions did I barely answer and which would you like me to touch on?

    Maybe they more than "barely" answered the OP's questions, but I will wait for the OP to answer.:rolleyes:

    It does not have to be "decarboxlated" it will still work.

    I know many people who mix the trimmings, stems and bud with rubbing alcohol to make a great therapeutic rub that they use on sore muscels and joints.

    I myself make bubble hash and use everclear to break it down, evaporate the alcohol and then mix it with aloe vera or what have you.

    Cannabis is a wonderful medicine and works wonders when injested, I also make a wonderful tincture that requires half a dropper under the tongue to get medicated.:smoke:

    There is nothing special about the way Rick does it, but it is extremly dangerous, I've watched some of his videos. Butane is a solvent as well and is faster at getting the goodies off the plant but is even more dangerous.

    Good quality BHO will do the trick, in reality it's not much different then "Phoenix Tears Oil", all of the active ingredients are there, and the same plant material left behind in both processes after extraction that we don't use.

    There are many solvents people have used to extract the goodies, but I prefer to use the most abundant solvent in the world to extract mine, water, it works well in the bubble bag system.;)

    No hard feelings, eh? I was merely trying to help.;)
     
  14. Thanks for the help everyone, especially sticky fingers. You about summed up what and why I did wrong. My mom does not know squat about pot and just mixed the lotion cold so the fat and oil could not even infuse together.

    Like I said she has never been high before, and does not want to eat any or get high. She wants to use it for a number of surface ailments. She is convinced that if the oil is right it will solve some of her problems like it did for Rick Simpson and others in his videos. I myself am a wee bit skeptical of hash oil curing arthritis and removing moles and warts but I would love to make it right and prove it right.

    Ill let everyone on GC know what I think after I have made and used the miracle oil
     
  15. LOL what a dumbass! she tried to make LOTION HAHAHA!
     
  16. #16 stickey_fingerz, Mar 6, 2011
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    god damn you people make it really tough not to get an infraction.. but please elaborate on why lotion is SUCH A DUMBASS move?????? if the chemicals in cannabis are already active SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN COOKED INTO AN OIL.. all the mixing with a lotion is doing is putting it in a vessel..

    kinda like when people make edibles.. they make the oil/butter infused with cannabis FIRST.. NOW if you wanted to you can just eat the oil/butter straight but that is nasty. thus why we decide to put it in brownies or cookies etc etc.. it is just a way to put it into a easier delivery method...

    OP if they decided to COULD just put the oil straight on to the affected area, no need to mix into a lotion.. but im guessing that the only thing the "friend" now we know it's his/her mom screwed up is the amount of lotion she mxied with the oil..

    i would guess when mixing the oil into the lotion, you should be using equal parts lotion to the oil.. because the lotion will dillute the oil.. meaning, if you put 1 gram of oil in 100 grams of lotion you will need to use 10 grams of lotion just to get .1 gram of oil.. if you were to use 1 gram of oil for every 10 grams of lotion you will only need to use 1 gram of lotion.. this is where knowing how much each dose your mom takes is very important..

    i would suggest taking the straight oil, and just using that as a straight topical balm.. then when she finds out how much she uses per day per week.. to help her ailments.. then do that math that comes with infusing the oil into the correct ratio of lotion..
     
  17. Nothing wrong with lotion, it helps people with pain in specific areas, just have her make it from bud next time. Depending on how you made the hash oil you could throw it into capsules and eat it.
     
  18. If the relief your mom seeks is due to joint or bone pain, try making a balm using the roots.
    Make it just like butter, preferably using coconut oil. My wife and I use it straight like that, we haven't seen the necessity to make a full on balm with beeswax, etc. but it would be easy. All I can say is that shit works as advertised. No sensation felt except pain relief, and some moisturized skin.
     
  19. This isn't the Rick Simpson hash oil recipe but rather, a recipe to make holy anointing oil. I got it from this website:
    Jesus & Cannabis « Patients for Medical Cannabis

    Just skip to the bottom for the recipe. The article is very interesting to read if you have the time and will explain why Cannabis is used in anointing oil.
     
  20. #20 Shinugami, May 10, 2013
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2013
    Haven't read all the replies so someone might have answered it already. Ok. I'll simplify it for you.
    Cancer is an unregulated healthy cell that keeps on multiplying to the point that it is called a tumor.
    Cannabinoids are the same shape as an endogenous cannabinoid (endocannabinoid) and thereby have the same function and a few more functions due to it not actually being an endocannabinoid but a cannabinoid.
    I'm explaining this because how an endocannabinoid works is it comes into contact with a cell and communicates with that cell via the cells Cannabinoid Receptors (There are atleast 2. CBR1/CBR2)
    Any cannabis your mum consumes will regulate any cancer cell it comes in contact with.
    Cannabinoids are oil based. This is good because fat has a limit to how much cannabinoids it can absorb. This means that once some fatty tissue is full of cannabinoids, the other fatty tissues will receive the remaining cannabinoids.
    This is a problem with small dosages because we cannot control where those cannabinoids are sent. Cannabinoids also have a half life of 3 days. So this means that you need to increase your dosage until you are taking 1gm of oil a day until your cancer is cured. Once it is cured you only need to take 1gm of that same oil a month for maintenance.
    In extreme cases like with the worst brain cancer known to man, the tumor in the brain was injected directly. For skin cancer it is applied directly. Keyword 'Directly' however with consumption of the oil we cannot control where that oil goes directly so as mentioned above, we need to flood our body with cannabinoids so that all the fatty tissue in our body is full of cannabinoids.

    The advantage of consuming such a dosage of cannabinoids is that any cancer cells that are undetected will be regulated where as if you relied on machinery and surgery to locate cancers it would be impossible to find all cancers and seeing as though cancers are created by cell damage, things like chemotherapy can cause cancers to occur however it takes a few years for those cells to divide/multiply enough to become detectable tumors.

    Essentially, Rick Simpson says to use 'high grade' bud. What is high grade? It has a dry weight which is 12% the harvested weight. So when rick says you need 1lb of high grade bud to make 60gm of oil, this translates to 3775gm of harvest bud will become 453gm of dry bud.
    Using this 453gm of dry bud you make the oil with a solvent. The solvent is only used because it makes dosages consistent and easy to measure.
    Ideally you would eat the actual plant however stomach acid cannot break through most cell walls of a plant and therefore much of the beneficial chemicals in a plant are lost. The key ingredient is the cannabinoids which is in the resin which essentially is called hash when gathered into a mass. Using a solvent you can make that hash more malleable and easier to measure. Rick says that with cooler temperatures the resin goes hard and just like with honey it can be made soft.
    Theoretically hash would have the same effect as hemp oil because it's the cannabinoids that you want. The only advantage would be that if you liquify it you can measure it more easily and all the chemicals should be more balanced in the mixture where as with hash you might have some parts with more THC, some with less.
    Any cannabinoids is better than no cannabinoids so long as it's consumed then it is not wasted however you need to start with a low dosage such as half a grain of rice and increase that until you are having 1gm a day. The rate at which you increase it is upto the consumer and how they function after taking a dose. You cannot overdose, you can only become intoxicated which does not mean cannabis is toxic, it just means that there are symptoms from taking cannabis that affect people such as inability to take in new information, increased ability to work with existing data in the brain, red eyes which is not a bad thing but it is a symptom that comes under the title 'intoxication'.
    There is many commercial patents such as on March 7th, 2013 GW Pharmaceuticals and Otsuka patented using 'synthesized' phyto-cannabinoids to cure cancers. It's kind of dumb that they squeeze synthesized into it but what that means is 'phyto' means that cannabinoids are plant based.

    They say synthesized because they selected the ratio of the cannabinoids but basically they have huge grow houses and they extract the cannabinoids.

    They have their preferred ratio of cannabinoids and that is how they got the patent, for their ratio. If you have more CBD than THC you cannot get high.

    THC increases Treg cell count in the liver and thereby cures Diabetes which is caused by a lack of Treg cells.
    In 2010, the U.S. Department of health and human services proved that increasing Treg Cells cured Diabetes in all animals involved in the research. It has been proven that THC increases Treg cell count significantly. The only way to obtain THC is via consuming cannabis.

    I have all sources for this information, if anyone wants it I can link it. I have an IQ of 155 and was arrested for commercial cultivation.I had 84 plants but because any piece of plant matter that the corrupt police want to call a plant is classed as a plant they included dead plants and cuttings with no roots as plants and so they said I had 203 plants.
    Through my research I educated the judge enough that in her words "I am now aware that Cannabis treats diabetes, particularly Retinopathy" which is a huge step forward as 1 week earlier she was mocking me for even suggesting that cannabis could cure diabetes. Too bad for her it's not my opinion, it's world science that says it cures diabetes. I just pieced together the credible research.

    Sorry I write so much, I have Aspergers which is why my IQ is so high but also why my IQ doesn't translate into success. It sucks but it has it's good side too as I obsess over research.
     

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