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GC Suicide....Ask an Ex-Cop.


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Well, it's not truly suicide because a few members have accepted me for what I am. An ex-cop in Central Cali that is now(off and on in HS and for the last 10 years) a smoker. Also a grower(VERY small, just a couple patients). I don't know everything and I quit in 1998 so not all law will be up-to-date(disclaimer).

All I can offer is a bridge between two communities that already intermingle. I know basic training, principles, ethics, etc and am more than willing to be the conduit that helps bridge the gap.

LEAP.cc is an excellent start for anyone wanting to try to understand those that are LEO, those that aren't, and those that still ride the fence.

If you are, were, thought of being, or know someone who is LEO I'm sure you have a basic grasp of what I'm trying to do. If you hate bacon, well it is your choice.

I could go on and on about different experiences and theories, as well as ideas, that I have. But I hope this initial post will open the door to a relationship that will, in the end, be beneficial to all.
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If it's for real then good luck to you, sir.
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whats the SOP when interacting with someone who is carrying a weapon legally?
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If it's for real then good luck to you, sir.


It is for real and thank you. Hopin' I don't get banned. PLEASE check out my previous posts.
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During your days as police officer, have you ever arrested anyone for weed?

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whats the SOP when interacting with someone who is carrying a weapon legally?


Officer safety. First and always. A legal weapon can be damn near anything from a rock to a stick to a knife or gun. I assume you are referring to the last two.

When on patrol, if confronted with a person that openly states they have a weapon I would tense and ask them to surrender it or at very least where it was at. Surrendering allows them the opportunity to grasp their weapon and is therefore frowned upon. Best bet is to require visible hands and ask where it is. If you are handcuffed, it is because I had a "hinky feeling" in my gut. You are not under arrest, but merely being secured or detained in the name of officer safety and for your safety as well. If someone, upon my approach, stated they had a weapon I generally was fairly relaxed. It's the person that DOESN'T tell me that I worried about.

The weapon was never a big problem, it was their actions with said weapon that caused a problem.
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During your days as police officer, have you ever arrested anyone for weed?


For weed, in and of itself, no. If a gangbanger with an attitude happened to cross my path, the charges piled up.

Adults in posession: if that is ALL it was(usually I was contacting them for some other reason) they could walk.

Minors: Weed is confiscated. Sometimes a ride home was given as well.
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This is a bit more personal but...

Did your quitting the force have anything to do with your relationship with the herb?

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For weed, in and of itself, no. If a gangbanger with an attitude happened to cross my path, the charges piled up.

Adults in posession: if that is ALL it was(usually I was contacting them for some other reason) they could walk.

Minors: Weed is confiscated. Sometimes a ride home was given as well.


You were a good cop. :D
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when police confiscate things, can you give us the inside word as to if officers take anything for themselves
like if 3000 fat stacks of money are found could you easily take a few ?
or does everyone get a bonus or something


youve probably seen some crazy ass things. do you want to share any crazy stories?

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For weed, in and of itself, no. If a gangbanger with an attitude happened to cross my path, the charges piled up.

Adults in posession: if that is ALL it was(usually I was contacting them for some other reason) they could walk.

Minors: Weed is confiscated. Sometimes a ride home was given as well.


Good man. :cool:
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so if you're not under 18 and you're busting me for something other than minor possession you're an asshole like all the rest of the other cops?

just kiddin man :) don't take that the wrong way. i know that you are only doing your job - enforcing the laws. you can't make em.

believe it or not i just stumbled upon LEAP.cc yesterday and on the main website i actually listened to the black guy talk. didn't explore the site any further but i did bookmark it. i'll check it out now.

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LEAP Statement of Principles

1. LEAP does not promote the use of drugs and is deeply concerned about the extent of drug abuse worldwide. LEAP is also deeply concerned with the destructive impact of violent drug gangs and cartels everywhere in the world. Neither problem is remedied by the current policy of drug prohibition. Indeed, drug abuse and gang violence flourish in a drug prohibition environment, just as they did during alcohol prohibition.

2. LEAP advocates the elimination of the policy of drug prohibition and the inauguration of a replacement policy of drug control and regulation, including regulations imposing appropriate age restrictions on drug sales and use, just as there are age restrictions on marriage, signing contracts, alcohol, tobacco, operating vehicles and heavy equipment, voting and so on.

3. LEAP believes that adult drug abuse is a health problem and not a law-enforcement matter, provided that the abuse does not harm other people or the property of others.

4. LEAP believes that adult drug use, however dangerous, is a matter of personal freedom as long as it does not impinge on the freedom or safety of others.

5. LEAP speakers come from a wide divergence of political thought and social conscience and recognize that in a post-prohibition world it will take time to strike a proper regulatory balance, blending private, public and medical models to best control and regulate “illicit drugs.” LEAP speakers are free to advocate their view of better post-prohibition stratagems without toeing a LEAP “party line.”

6. LEAP recognizes that even in a post-prohibition world, still, drugs can be dangerous and potentially addictive, requiring appropriate regulation and control. Even in a free-market economy, reasonable regulation for the purposes of public health is a long-standing, accepted principle. Such regulation must not allow casual, unfettered or indiscriminate drug sales.

7. LEAP believes that government has a public health obligation to accurately ascertain the risks associated with the use of each “illicit drug” and a duty to clearly communicate that information to the public by means of labeling and warnings similar to what is done regarding food, tobacco, alcohol and medicine.

8. LEAP believes that an inordinate number of people have been misguidedly incarcerated for violation of zero-tolerant, nonviolent, consensual “drug crimes.” The end of drug prohibition will allow those persons to be promptly released, to have their record of conviction expunged, and their civil rights completely restored. However, the repeal of drug prohibition does not imply the exoneration from charges for connected offenses, such as violent crimes, gun crimes, theft, or driving under the influence of drugs. Furthermore, LEAP believes that people using alcohol or other drugs must be held accountable for any misbehavior, which harms other people or property of others, while under the influence of mind-altering substances.

9. LEAP believes that persons suffering from drug abuse afflictions and addiction, who want help, should be provided with a variety of help, including drug treatment and drug maintenance, even for uninsured addicts. LEAP believes that with an end to drug prohibition and regained control of criminal justice expenditures, a fraction of those savings would be more than sufficient to pay for expanded addiction services.

10. LEAP recognizes that different “illicit drugs” pose differing risks of harm. As such, in a post-prohibition world, LEAP recognizes that an appropriate set of regulations and control for one substance may not be a suitable or sufficient regulation and control for another substance. LEAP believes that the nation states of the world and various states within the United States must be given the regulatory latitude to try new models that wisely balance the notions of freedom over one’s own body with the need for common sense regulation of drugs to reduce death, disease, addiction and harm.


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"no matter what small success you have interdicting or prohibiting the introduction across the border has no affect because they just move where they grow the substance to"

damn. that's so true.

Edited by RiskyBusiness, 28 December 2010 - 07:15 AM.

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This is a bit more personal but...

Did your quitting the force have anything to do with your relationship with the herb?


Not really in the direct way you would think.

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when police confiscate things, can you give us the inside word as to if officers take anything for themselves
like if 3000 fat stacks of money are found could you easily take a few ?
or does everyone get a bonus or something


youve probably seen some crazy ass things. do you want to share any crazy stories?

:smoke:


Ummmm, on this I will plead the 5th and ask you, "What do YOU think is possible in such a situation?"

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when police confiscate things, can you give us the inside word as to if officers take anything for themselves
like if 3000 fat stacks of money are found could you easily take a few ?
or does everyone get a bonus or something


youve probably seen some crazy ass things. do you want to share any crazy stories?

:smoke:


Some crazy stories can still be shared though!

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the relationship between the people and the cops would be less tense if they just ended this dumb war on drugs and stopped being so fuckin nosey/controlling... did cops you work with understand this? and also we all talk nice to you to your face, but the majority of people talk mad shit on cops.. like your cool in my book on here, because obv you are a reasonable ex cop and understood the bs of it and understand their is misunderstandings between people and them. like cool cops i want to like. like i want to like cops for stopping murders, rapes, and robberies (cause they are good for that).. but at the same time i fuckin hate them so much, and i wish trouble on the strict/mean cop/pig (really do man im sorry, just my experience with them, those fuckers deserve it.. for example a cop arrests a non violent coke dealer.. in my book the cop is the bad person and the coke dealer is just providing a product because their is a demand). sorry dude. i just think cops ruin more lives then they help with the current situation..they arrest to many good people and are to nosey., i have seen great people have their lives completely fucked by asshole cops. i have personallly just been pestered by piggies way to much... Honestly i think cops and avg people relationships will be reallyyy bumpy untill the amount of laws decrease, the amount of police rollin the streets drops, and the dumb laws dissapear.. when i hear about a cop die and gangbanger die, i look at the situation the same.. they both kinda had it coming.. if you look at the big picture a guy supporting a gang is NO different then someone supporting the usa (the usa is a big gang and has killed wayyyyyyyyy more innocent good people then street gangs).. really its a deep deeep complex thing.. but you gotta understand just because you are supporting the USA doesnt mean you are doing the right thing in some situations ya know what i mean.. but glad to see there are some out their who have some common sense... its really mixed feelings here and hard to explain...

Like your in cali so it may be different.. but do you realize how scary cops are? like as humans we are animals and are instincts are suppose to take over when we encounter danger.. nothing gets my instincts pumping more then a cop. we run and fight because they are trying to endanger our lives we just wanna go home and sleep in our beds.. its scary when someone that is no more of a good person then me, has the right to do all this shit to me and is backed up by such a powerful figure that there is nothing i can do.

i hope you dont misunderstand me, cause i dont want to hate cops.. but i kinda have to due to the current laws.. these overcontrolling laws turn good people into criminals.. and then by doing that it makes these good people willing to do anything to keep cops from fucking their lives up.. i mean like you said, you will cuff someone when your scared.. well we wanna beat the fuck outta ya or run cause ya know.... were scared
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FUCK THA PO - LIIIIIIICCEEEE NUGGA!!!!!!!!

nah, sounds like you were a great cop and i respect that

are cops really racist with eachother when talking casually with eachother? For example "lol, that stupid n**er tried to run away" or "I hate those damn mexicans they always try to lie their way out"

please answer this with %100 truth
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FUCK THA PO - LIIIIIIICCEEEE NUGGA!!!!!!!!

nah, sounds like you were a great cop and i respect that

are cops really racist with eachother when talking casually with eachother? For example "lol, that stupid n**er tried to run away" or "I hate those damn mexicans they always try to lie their way out"

please answer this with %100 truth


What kind of question is that? :confused:
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the relationship between the people and the cops would be less tense if they just ended this dumb war on drugs and stopped being so fuckin nosey/controlling... did cops you work with understand this? and also we all talk nice to you to your face, but the majority of people talk mad shit on cops.. like your cool in my book on here, because obv you are a reasonable ex cop and understood the bs of it and understand their is misunderstandings between people and them. like cool cops i want to like. like i want to like cops for stopping murders, rapes, and robberies (cause they are good for that).. but at the same time i fuckin hate them so much, and i wish trouble on the strict/mean cop/pig (really do man im sorry, just my experience with them, those fuckers deserve it.. for example a cop arrests a non violent coke dealer.. in my book the cop is the bad person and the coke dealer is just providing a product because their is a demand). sorry dude. i just think cops ruin more lives then they help with the current situation..they arrest to many good people and are to nosey., i have seen great people have their lives completely fucked by asshole cops. i have personallly just been pestered by piggies way to much... Honestly i think cops and avg people relationships will be reallyyy bumpy untill the amount of laws decrease, the amount of police rollin the streets drops, and the dumb laws dissapear.. when i hear about a cop die and gangbanger die, i look at the situation the same.. they both kinda had it coming.. if you look at the big picture a guy supporting a gang is NO different then someone supporting the usa (the usa is a big gang and has killed wayyyyyyyyy more innocent good people then street gangs).. really its a deep deeep complex thing.. but you gotta understand just because you are supporting the USA doesnt mean you are doing the right thing in some situations ya know what i mean.. but glad to see there are some out their who have some common sense... its really mixed feelings here and hard to explain...

Like your in cali so it may be different.. but do you realize how scary cops are? like as humans we are animals and are instincts are suppose to take over when we encounter danger.. nothing gets my instincts pumping more then a cop. we run and fight because they are trying to endanger our lives we just wanna go home and sleep in our beds.. its scary when someone that is no more of a good person then me, has the right to do all this shit to me and is backed up by such a powerful figure that there is nothing i can do.

i hope you dont misunderstand me, cause i dont want to hate cops.. but i kinda have to due to the current laws.. these overcontrolling laws turn good people into criminals.. and then by doing that it makes these good people willing to do anything to keep cops from fucking their lives up.. i mean like you said, you will cuff someone when your scared.. well we wanna beat the fuck outta ya or run cause ya know.... were scared


I totally understand where you're coming from. I knew when I was 6 that I wanted to be a cop. I chased stray dogs off the playground in exchange for a pepsi.:D I pursued it throughout school, while experimenting with more than one substance, and was sworn in on my 21st b-day. WAY too young. In Cali you can be 18, but most cities insurance requires 21.

I felt like a hipocrite several times for popping someone for something I had also done. The absolute WORST thing I EVER did in uniform(was it?) was stopping a driver who was illegal, unlicensed, and drunk. He rolled a stop sign and ran when I hit the lights. He quickly turned down a dirt road, and tearfully apologized and surrendered @ gunpoint. I ran wants & warrants and he was clear. No documentation. Intoxicated.

BUT he had ALL his belongings in the car. EVERYTHING he owned. My first instinct was to arrest him and send him back to Mexico. I was pissed that he had broken the law, endangered his, my, and innocent lives, and initially lied about his name. So I decided to "take mercy on him" and let him go. Walking. He was about 2 miles from his brothers house. I felt sorry for him so I sent him to his brothers, towed his vehicle, and went on about my shift.

5:30am- Call of a possible suicide in the outskirts of town. I arrived second on scene and walked into the backyard where there hung the man from the night before. His brother said he had thought we were seizing his property, everything he had. He had no job, was an alcoholic, and very well could have done it whether I had contacted him or not. But I still think it was me that made him step off the ladder.:(
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