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Seeking Advice to Secretly Dose Ill Informed Mother in Pain

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by CannaChris420, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. Wacky title, I hope I lured you in because i seriously and truthfully from the bottom of my heart need help.

    My mother suffers from Migraine headaches, Hyperparathyroidism, and Carpel Tunnel Syndrome. She is in constant pain every day taking Gabapentin & Meloxicam for the CTS, Carisoprodol for the pain, and enough Advil to kill a horse for the migraines and she is still at no relief. I see her slowly withering away before my eyes. She's been through surgery to correct the Hyperparathyroidism but still suffers from intolerable pain.

    For months now I have been slowly trying to throw the idea of MMJ around to her. The only problem with that is the following:
    • She is ill informed on the subject and refuses to believe the truth (despite years of my constant opinion thrown around in conversation on the subject)
    • She admits smoking weed as a teenager and claims she didn't like the way it made her feel
    • Will not see the benefits of trying edibles as a medicine to treat her symptoms


    Her excuse is always "Chris, I'm not gonna smoke pot and magically get better."
    My thought afterwards is always "You probably will..."

    So I need help fellow blades. This is my proposed plan. Any and ALL feedback is welcomed, including the morality of what I am proposing. Any corrections you think are necessary should be brought to my attention as well.

    I think I am going to buy a 1/4 of low grade weed and make oil. I need help determining which method of extraction would be best to lace into her food. I would like to dose her with a small enough amount to not get her noticeably high, but enough so that after a week I can ask her how she's been feeling, and hopefully she'll say something like "the higher dose on the Soma must have been working!". I really want to prove to her that this can work, and that she can actually use this as a medicine. She doesn't want to smoke anything, nor does she want to really be that high, and I can't imagine her buying a vaporizer, so this is the only way I see fit for me to dose my mother.

    FYI we live in Jersey so she won't qualify for MMJ even if she tried. We wouldn't have edibles anyway :mad:
     
  2. Sorry, no - I cannot condone secretly dosing anyone. If she is dead set against it, then you HAVE to respect her wishes
     
  3. i think you should try it once but if your buying from a dealer smoke some before hand to make sure its not laced and if after eating the edibles she doesnt complain about pain do it again

    just a suggestion
     

  4. That's the thing though. She is not dead set against it- to an extent.

    This is an extremely complicated story that involves years of trauma for the both of us, and has landed us where we are today. She is tolerant of my use. She has friends who use it medicinally. She just does not see the benefit. However this is exactly the type of person she is. She's the type of person that needs to be talked into something before she realizes she was worrying over nothing. Example- getting her to try octopus when we go out to sushi took four years... constantly nagging her about how good it was and always hearing her tell me "It's gross and I don't want to try it"... well finally she did and now we eat it together all the time.

    This is complex, none of you guys know my mother. I guess to say the least, I know for a fact that once I tell her what I did, she'll continue using the method. A study shows that decarboxylation is not recommended when making oil for someone that does not want to get high because it turns the oil highly psychoactive. Fresh bud is supposedly flooded with CBDA... but the THC is not psychoactive. In this case what method of extraction would be best?
     
  5. "Mom, you're not gonna smoke pot and get magically worse so you should at least give it a try."

    I seriously wouldn't dose her though...I find it to be unethical. Especially with some edibles (I know yours will be low-power).

    I would show her the research too....Go to this list http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-marijuana/436257-granny-storm-crows-list-july-2009-a.html, find her conditions and print them out. Explain to her that these studies are done by non-stoners and show results that could be to her benefit...It might seem impossible but convincing her to give it a try will always be better than giving her sneaky-snake doses...
     
  6. IMO, just because she isnt 100% against it doesnt give you ground to go ahead and dose her.... Thats so un moral, and just flat out disrespectful. If my mother was dying of something THC was proven 100% to be the one and only cure of, and she wasnt 100% for it, or 100% against it, but had pleaded not to have it, i would let her have it her way.... Its not your life to play games with
     
  7. It's not like you can crush it up and put it in her drink and she won't notice, you can't just give someone cannabis you don't know how she will react, could freak her the fuck out making her think she's gone off the deep end or something and put her off the idea of marijuana forever
     
  8. Dosing Mom would be unethical- and would likely piss her off, or give her a panic attack! Either way is no good!

    So click the first link in my sig for the medical studies you need. Keep showing her those studies and articles. Eventually, you'll wear her down and she'll try it. It may take months for her "to see the light", but you will have to be persistent!

    One of my greatest regrets is that I wasn't persistent enough in trying to get my late mother to switch to cannabis (she did try it a few times, but she liked her Jim Beam better. :( ) Keep working at it.


    And ss3ltl The 2009 version is the old "small" list- the link in my sig will get you 420 pages of links, not the paltry 150 pages of the old 2009 list!


    Granny :wave:
     
  9. It seems like the op has already had his mind set on his decision and the opinions of others is not likely to sway him. I cannot pretend to understand the pain you are going through watching your mother slowly wither away. What I can understand however is the feeling of wanting to do whatever possible to ease her pain.

    If you do go through with this I strongly suggest testing the edibles before you give them to your mother and also remember to take into account that her tolerance will likely be lower than yours, so what might be a slight buzz to you could be a strong high to her.

    Hope all goes well my friend.

    Also does anyone remember another thread strangely similar to this one?
     
  10. Thanks for all the responses guys, I likely won't do this.

    Granny, I enjoyed your response most. I have been trying for over three years now to get her to see the light. The whole reason this thread got started is because today I got as close to hearing her accept this is an option as I've ever been. She told me the Neurologist recommended her to another doctor but doesn't think anything else will help other than another surgery. I do not think that is necessary at all. I explained to her that she can waste our rent money on a pointless surgery or she can continue being under the 'care' of her multiple physicians prescribing her drugs she can't tolerate. During the day she is in pain making her suffer while she works hard and earns money, and at night she is doped out to the point where I can't even spend time with her. Especially considering our insurance won't cover the surgery she needs, and we are already financially stressed as it is, barely able to pay rent together. It's important she stop wasting her time with drugs and procedures that are slowly killing her.

    I know it's her choice and messing with someone's health is totally wrong, but it's come down to the point where I need to see her smile again, she's starting to lose it. :( I want my mom back and I know Cannabis will help her.

    Granny- I have shown her your list before. Even though I pointed out where the research came from, she still remarked with "I guess pot heads can put research together, too."
     
  11. Idk man. Personally I know that weed would help my mother with her
    severe back pain. She is in constant pain all day but just numbs it out.
    I'm sure it would help her like it's helped me...but one, she's so not a smoker...
    and two, I honestly believe she would flip out if I suggested it. I know
    she's done some damage in her day but the herb I know she doesn't condone.
    Like you OP, I've thought about dosing her, but I can never bring myself to
    do it.

    You have no idea how her reaction to it will be. It might scare the shit out of her
    not knowing what's happening to her body. That's just not fair. I would feel
    ashamed, which is how I'm sure you will feel.

    If anything, I would give my mom an edible and just straight up be honest with
    her. "This is medicine and I believe it will help you, please give it a try and if
    you don't like it or don't feel the results you want, I won't ever bring it up
    again. I've tried educating you and for god sakes woman if that's not enough
    then you better at least give it one try at least for me for trying to work so
    hard to help you."


    Be honest dude, and don't disrespect your mom. That's just bad shit waiting
    to happen.
     
  12. Don't take away her freedom by drugging her without her permission, instead get down on your knees with tears in your eyes and tell her what you've written here. Tell her that migraines can be changed with weed and that she should at least try it, just once - for your sake (Because you're in pain to see her like this).
     
  13. #13 xsouthparkx, Nov 29, 2010
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    If you are planning on doping your mother, make the hemp oil then tell her that you've made an all natural holistic medicine. IDK make something up. Then give it to her. Hopefully she accepts it.

    Does hemp oil get you high? If it does then she'll probably know you doped her, which will make her upset AT YOU. Think about it. I would be pissed if someone gave me medicine without my knowing of it. Whether it helps me or not.
     
  14. Reefer helps my pain every day. But unknowingly being high is not fun, especially if you weren't expecting it from your own son. In fact, she may be scared of it and never even try it ever again. You could potentially destroy any possible progess you have made so far with her.
     
  15. #15 ixBeachbumxi, Nov 29, 2010
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    if u were to go through with this DO NOT use low quality cannabis. Lower quality usually means it was mass produced and pestisides were used. Smoking pestisides doesnt effect you much, but eating it can cause problems. I once made brownies with some mids i got and all it did was give me a stomach ache and the shits. I have made plenty of eddibles since that first time but all with high quality shit from a reliable source and i have never had those effects again. Be careful with what you use IF you do go through with it.



    Now what I would do, is make cannabis tea. I dont know exactly how to do it but I have read on it and it seems simple enough. Use an Indica dominant strain and please please please inform her of what she's ingesting. (I figure tea sounds alot better than the standard "pot brownie")

    "Mom, I know you dont like the idea of pot, but this has been LEGALIZED in many states throughout the country for cancer patients as well as many other disorders. It helps relieve pain and it doesnt ruin your liver like all of those pills your popping that arent doing anything for you. Please try it just this one time and if you dont like it i'll leave you and the pills alone, but please just this once listen to me, your son, who wants nothing but the best for you. If I didnt think this would help you I wouldnt even think of suggesting it."

    Good luck man and as above posters said dont dose her. It'll just piss her off and you may lose her trust.
     

  16. It is very evil to make decisions for others against their wishes. You want to prove what to her? What if she freaks out?

    DON'T DO IT!!

    clinton
     
  17. Maybe make it first and after she sees all the effort you went through will hopefully make her try it
     
  18. So I think I've made up my mind. I think I'm going to take some people's advice and prepare the edible with full intention of asking her before I give it to her to eat.

    After reading over the whole thread I think I described my mom wrong. If anyone was imagining a frail dying old woman, that's NOT her. She's in her late 40's, is active, and is probably not as bad as I made her out to be. Essentially she does suffer from intolerable pain the majority of the time, but I really want her to quit the pharms and try this out.

    I'll continue my persistence, and absolutely will not secretly dose her. Thanks for helping me realize a terrible mistake!
     
  19. #19 VT_killah, Nov 30, 2010
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    This summer I underwent surgery to ease the symptoms of an uncurable infection by placing a small drain in the infection that would allow any liquids to drain out, rather than the skin healing over and the liquids building up until the skin tears open again (which was going on for months prior to the surgery).

    The surgery was supposed to be extremely simple and completely painless, in fact this was the second time I had the surgery and was confident it would be simple / painless as was the first one.


    Next thing I know I woke up from surgery to immense pain and massive amounts of bloody gauze wrapped around the area. I didn't have any panicked thoughts as I was still dopey from the anesthesia, but I knew that this wasn't right and that something else had happened.


    Well once I got myself together my doctor came in and explained what had happened. Apparently once I was "under the knife", he realized the path of the infection was completely through tissue and some muscle which could regrow.

    He decided, without waking me up (nor did he inform me about this possibility before I went under) to perform a surgery in which he cut the infection completely open. Doing this allows the infection to heal (imagine the infection as the shape of a gunshot inside your body, just a straight circular hollow tube) as the body will naturally heal the gash which ran as deep as the infection.


    At first I was furious, thinking I might sue or something drastic. My doctor defended his actions with some bs reasoning and regardless I was extremely angry and frustrated with his choice. It basically ruined months out of my summer while I sat around in agony popping oxycodone all day.


    Well, months later (about 5 to be exact), guess what... it healed. What can I say? I met with him a week ago and he was thrilled to see it had scarred over. Honestly, at first I was furious, but I have come to realize, he was just doing what he thought was best and taking advantage of an opportunity I had no knowledge of. After all, he is a doctor and I'm a patient. You can say the old phrase "my body my choice" but sometimes you have to trust others in life. I think if I was in his situation I'd do the same.



    Anyways, what I'm saying is, while it may be "unethical" or "against her wishes" blah blah sometimes the best thing to do is that which we don't want the most. The last thing I wanted was months more of pain after enduring months of pain from the infection, but he cured it for good. It's completely gone and I no longer have to deal with it, as I still would be if he had placed in the drain. I'm grateful for what he did and I still would be even if it hadn't healed properly. I'm not saying dosing her is the right thing to do but it's worth a try if nothing else seems to be working. Everyone can disagree with me all they want but sometimes intervention is necessary
     

  20. That's an incredible story, I'm glad you're healthy.
    I agree that sometime intervention is indeed necessary, but now that I think about it, I really don't think now is the time to intervene. She's not on her death bed, maybe SOME other pharm will help her, although I highly doubt it, I'll let her ask me when she's ready. She hears me talk about it every day, it's not like she's gonna forget that her son told her about this 'other' option.

    Again thanks so much for all the fast and well thought out advice! You guys are great :wave:
     

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