Please help with this deficiency(ies)

Discussion in 'Sick Plants and Problems' started by errander, Mar 24, 2010.

  1. Hi,
    last days the leaves of my girls started to die out quite quickly. This kind of coincides with my pushing them into flower due to time constraints. This is clearly a serious problem and I am looking for a quick remedy. I have already found out that they suffer from magnesium deficiency. Unfortunately, after considerable effort I could not find out Magnesium Suplhate (either as EPSOM or other form). So the only available solution for me now is to use a newly purchased wide-spectrum fertilizer having the Mg at 0,9% concentration initially for foliar feed.

    However, please, can you have a look at the pics and tell if there is something else that they are missing? It is quite frustrating to see their decay :-(
     

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  2. #2 TreeOfLife, Mar 24, 2010
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    check out the stickies, no pro but could be:wave:...........

    http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688&page=1&pp=15

    (check potassium. and calcium pic)





    Potassium (K) Mobile Element and Macro Element

    Potassium plays a big role as well. Having good amounts of potassium in your plants helps in having sturdy and thick stems, disease-resistance, water respiration, as well aids in photosynthesis. Potassium is also found in the whole plant. It is necessary for all activities having to do with water transportation. Potassium is necessary for all stages of growth, especially important in the development of Buds.

    Having to little of Potassium in your plants causes the plants leaves to show retarded growth and show a scorched tip and edges around the leaves. Plants may stretch and your branches can be easily broken or weak. Don’t get this deficiency confused with iron, because it almost acts like iron but to tell the difference in the two is: for potassium the tips of the leaves curl and the edges burn and die. Older leaves may show a red color and leaves could curl upwards. Dead patches (Necrosis) can happen on the margins of larger fan leaves thus, the leaves will eventually die off and turn brown. The Older leaves will show different patches of color (mottle) and turn yellow between the veins, following by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die. The plants overall growth slows down, mostly when they are in vegetative stage. To little amount of potassium also slows the growth of buds during flowering stages. Dark edges will appear around the edges of the leaf when the deficiency is starting to happen. When your Relative humidity is low, you can almost bet your going to soon get a potassium deficiency from your plants perspiration.
    Potassium can get poorly absorbed when having too much Calcium or ammonium nitrogen, and maybe cold weather. Having to much sodium (Na) causes potassium to be displaced. SO keep those in mind… Parts affected by a Potassium Deficiency are: older leaves and leaf margins.


    When you have too much Potassium in your soil, it can lead to big troubles, like salt damage and acid fixation of the root system, as well as too much potassium can cause a calcium deficiency. Your fan leaves will show like a light to a dark yellow to whitish color in between the veins. Due to a molecular imbalance, potassium toxicity can cause a reduced uptake and lead to the deficiencies of Mg, and in some cases, Ca. Also leads to the other nutrients to not be absorbed properly leading to lots of other deficiency such as: magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron and can cause problems with calcium as well.



    Problems with Potassium being locked out by PH troubles
    Soils with excessive Leeching and High ph soils and or water.Soils that are potassium fixated. An excess of kitchen salts (sodium) in the root system/enviroment.


    Soil

    Potassium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
    Potassium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-9.5. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Potassium deficiency.


    Hydro and Soil less Mediums

    Potassium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0-4.5, 6.0-6.5.
    Potassium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.7-5.3, 6.7-8.5. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a potassium deficiency.



    Solution to fixing a Potassium deficiency
    Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a potassium deficiency. Again Peters All Purpose plant food 20-20-20, will cure the potassium deficiency , Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food.( Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Some other supplements of potassium are: Wood ashes, which are fast absorption, Kelp Meal, which is medium absorption, Greensand, which is slow absorption, granite dust, which is slow absorption. Sulfate of Potash, Sulfate of Potash Magnesia, Muriate of Potash, which are medium absorption. FOXFARM GROW BIG HYDROPONIC CONCENTRATE, which is fast absorption. (FFGB can bring your ph down as well) Earth Juice Meta-K, which is fast acting. (Can bring down your ph as well) Leaves will never recover, but the plant will show recovery after about 4 to 5 days when using a fast acting nutrient.

    Note: Wood Ashes, can make your ph go up a bit, so please monitor your ph when using it.
    Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics, (which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) you need to flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.


    Picture 1 and 2 shows a Potassium deficiency ( Thank You General Ganja for letting me use Picture 1!)





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    Last edited by MynameStitch; 11-29-2008 at 11:37 PM.. Reason: New Title
     
  3. they look wet. What is your PH in the soil? I would start there to help pin point your problem.
     
  4. Yes, they are quite wet from the flushing I did recently. Now I just need them to get drier and back to normal. Unfortunately I am currently living in a strange country where getting a PH test seems almost impossible. So, I really cannot tell. If there is a way how to measure the PH without buying a test, please let me know. On that account there is one thing which makes me think there should not be a problem with the soil PH: also another plant is exactly in the same soil and treated (including nutes) very much the same way as the other two on the pics. That one has no spots and thrives instead .
     
  5. :wave:only been growing about a year but
    im with treeoflife
    could be calcium or potassium (plant abuse pics look similar)
    make sure the plant drys, get it flushed before adding stuff to help
    otherwise you may just be adding insult to injury:smoking:
     

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