I am in need of a chemist who knows something about the properties of Hydrogen

Discussion in 'Smoking Accessories Q&A' started by Alborosie, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. I had an idea to make a lighter that was fueled by compressed hydrogen so the only thing you would be inhaling upon lighting up your piece would be water vapor and of course, cannabis fumes

    however you would think that if making hydrogen lighter was possible they would be all over the market which I don't see so what are the downsides to this (if there are any)
     
  2. sounds sweet.
    but i suck at chemistry. sorry i cant help.

    good luck! ill buy them
     
  3. compressed hydrogen would not be able to fuel a lighter or to burn any "cannabis fumes".
     
  4. yeah, i guessed as much. Do you have a reason why?
     
  5. don't butane lighters combust producing only water vapor and co2? not too bad though just water vapor would be preferable.
     
  6. butane combustion makes things like Co1 and Co2 (Carbon Monoxide and Dioxide) which are both unhealthy if you are holding them in your lungs. Hydrogen combustion creates water vapor. H + O(2) = H2O (Water) I'm not a chemist but i know they are developing cars to run on hydrogen. I'm not sure if you can contain hydrogen easily in a lighter.
     
  7. well im sure that if this tech existed we would have it in our cars lol your basically talking about the hydrogen fuel cell
     
  8. Read the wikipedia link! It's easily possible, but there is NO POINT except for taste. Alternatives such as butane, propane, and white gas are superior in every other way.

    Also, it while it will be devoid of most post-combustion carbon-based molecules, it will still produce nitrogen dioxide, which is a toxin and may contribute to the taste.
     

  9. Thats a whole different issue. Partly, the process of electrolyzing it isn't economically feasible yet. I actually had a professor who's main area of research was making cheap and ideal electrodes for the process. The second issue is energy density. Gasoline contains more joules of energy per volume than hydrogen gas. Therefore, it has to be compressed extremely if you want any sort of potential for long use.

    The other reason that it is a completely different issues is the fact that there is no combustion taking place in a fuel cell car. You are using hydrogen to produce electricity that powers an electric motor.
     
  10. have you heard of a hydrogen bomb???? Basically a hydrogen lighter would explode worse than an a bomb.:D
     
  11. different issue, running your car on hydrogen would be to avoid using fossil fuels which you would most likely use to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen in a water molecule to get any significant amount of hydrogen, in my quest for a cleaner lighter i don't care about fossil fuel, I just want it to burn cleanly because I am going to be inhaling some of it.




    I want to get a small flame and water, not a fusion reaction and helium

    I don't want my voice to get all squeaky whenever I take a hit :smoking:
     
  12. dude 1ST off you need to have some machining skills....
     
  13. im an econ major so no luck there, I was hoping you could just buy them somewhere
     
  14. 2C4H10 + 13O2 -> 8CO2 + 10H2O

    So there's the balanced equation for the complete combustion of Butane; you'll notice on the product side that upon being burned, the butane is converted to Carbon Dioxide and water vapor. You're not actually inhaling butane. As for it actually being in your lungs; it's bad for you in theory, however the capillaries in your alveoli don't allow CO2 to be taken IN, only given off. The place to worry would be in an incomplete combustion in which Carbon Monoxide would be formed instead of CO2, but unless you have a malfunctioning lighter that's giving off a visible black smoke, that shouldn't be an issue.

    Source; I'm a Pre-Med chem major 😊


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  15. Then use a hemp wick. That will be the 'cleanest'. If you want a very clean flame, the idea is to reach as close of a temp as possible to 'perfect' combustion. Whereas byproducts will be, again, CO2 and water. CO2 in small doses is fucking useless. You will never tell the difference. In a modern home, with standard ventilation there will be an average of 350 ppm CO2 in the space. You will never notice until the concentration goes over 1000ppm, then based off dilution of air movement, again you wouldn't notice. Many commercial buildings with high volume of occupied space will have a flush setpoint of 1500ppm CO2. So the, what, 20ppm coming off a lighter's combustion will have absolutely no effect on you whatsoever. 
     
    I would be far more concerned with the actual plant material burning. 
     
  16. #17 Mr_Krabs, Nov 21, 2014
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    Everyone's explained the chemistry enough. I won't focus on that.

    But other problems exist with hydrogen. One producing Oxyhydrogen reliably needs expensive platinum electrodes. Stainless electrodes work and those are in those cheap ebay water torch kits. Why don't they mass produce them? Well in order to not need platinum electrodes, stainless electrodes must be run on AC electricity. The danger is AC electricity will generate mixed oxygen and hydrogen gas in the perfect proportion to be basically the one of most explosive gas mixtures possible. So there's that aspect.

    As far as prefilled bottles, hydrogen does not liquefy under any normal conditions. So tanks must be made to withstand upwards of 10,000 psi in order to store meaningful amounts. And they must be replaced on a regular basis due to hydrogen embrittlement.

    Another point is when hydrogen burns it does so at a temperature that's extremely hot and extremely pinpoint. Those water torch videos are no joke. It is a tiny point of extremely high heat.

    Wanna know what doesn't play well with that? Glass. Try running your oxyacetylene welding torch on cutting mode that's how a hydrogen torch tends to burn even without added oxygen cause hydrogen is so chemically reactive with even atmospheric oxygen levels. And see if you can smoke with it. Guearantee you as soon as that pinpoint flame touches your glass, crack.

    Use hemp wick like what was said. It's as close as you can get to basically a weed candle. And they use beeswax which is the clwanest burning of all waxes. It really doesn't get any better than hemp wick. And the control you get for cornering bowls is unmatched. Trust me.
     
  17. Hydogen is much more expensive and complex to compress than butane is.
     
  18. Hydrogen is a technically a alkali metal but naturally a gas because of it's extremely weak electron density.
    "Due to it only having 1 electron.
    To keep it compressed in liquid form would take a lot of pressure and extremely cold temperatures.. Enough to freeze plastic and glass frostbite flesh when touched.
    When you release the gas it expands and cools rapidly and can flash easily to explode/.
     
    The reactivity of hydrogen or any of the natural elements a bad idea.

    Even heating H2 pure oxygen, it has still toss the bonds and ignite strongly.

    Hydrogen isn't a good medium, too reactive.
     
    You need hydrocarbons as fuels, because they don't expand but are volatile.
    And easily sustained carbon based fuel source.
     
  19. That's a bit misleading. Hydrogen is not a metal. It may be in the same series as the alkali metals but because it's in a gaseous state or even liquid it doesn't have the same electrochemical properties as alkali metals like spontaneously reacting with atmospheric oxygen or water.

    But being in the same series as the metals, under very specific conditions it will act like a metal. And that's particularly when you can crush it under tons of mass. Jupiter is the perfect example. Earth's magnetic field is from rotating molten metal around a theoretically solid iron-nickel core. Jupiter is caused by highly compressed hydrogen that then takes on properties of metals.
     

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