The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible


The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Actually absolute knowledge is possible, because it surrounds us everyday. The universe is the All Mighty, Holy One, Heavenly Father, Civilizations Sheperd, and other connotations for the Omnipotent are merely the Universe, for the Universe is our beginning and will be our ultimate end.

Brahman is the Self
Know thySelf

ok if i can't know of him how come you can, maharishi?

you can know of him because he is you

the attitude of 'you & me' (separation) is probably why you dont...

to have absolute knowledge of the absolute God is to absolutely OWN absolute God

to be the ultimate mind
and for absolute God to be your thought

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence...

...The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available.

Two questions, I think I speak for most people:

1) Who is the absolute God in human form?

2) How did you get any knowledge about the absolute God?

Question 3 is really just for 2,000 bonus points, you're not expected to answer:

3) Could you demonstrate that the absolute God you're talking about is not fictional, as your threads in this forum have yet to mention anything compelling which suggests the absolute God exists?

The Existence of God is impossible

Fixed

God is implausible

"In his best-selling book "A Brief History of Time", physicist Stephen Hawking claimed that when physicists find the theory he and his colleagues are looking for - a so-called "theory of everything" - then they will have seen into "the mind of God". Hawking is by no means the only scientist who has associated God with the laws of physics. Nobel laureate Leon Lederman, for example, has made a link between God and a subatomic particle known as the Higgs boson. Lederman has suggested that when physicists find this particle in their accelerators it will be like looking into the face of God. But what kind of God are these physicists talking about?"

is it possible that God could be completely explained through science? As if an God was actually a perfect law that could be seen throughout the entire universe. There is much to be said about the subconscious and it could be that science produced images of God as humans because it is something we can comprehend and understand, much as our brains produce people in our dreams. That still doesn't really answer the question of what God's purpose is, or of what he is asking of us, but maybe people how found when they followed The God law things turned out better for them, just like there is a certain way to get an airplane in the sky.

you can know of him because he is you

the attitude of 'you & me' (separation) is probably why you dont...

how do you know this?

I could reveal to you the purpose of all things.

However, I just did.

You can write it down, but you can't write fast enough because by the time you start writing it's already gone.

You can speak it, but by the time you make your first sound, it's gone.

You can think it, but by the time you think of it, it's gone.

Such is the way of all things.

Just got one question:

How can you say your personal deity is beyond imagination, when several other cultures around the world have used their imagination to invent a god with very similar characteristics?

Before science, we didn't have an explanation for many things that scared the shit out of us (i.e. lightning, volcanoes, etc.). Norse culture (may be wrong on specifics) thought lightning was caused by Thor striking an anvil with his hammer, but now we know why it really happens.

People often still use this as an argument for a deity. I really have no idea as to why but they continue to do so. Now, let's look at snowflakes. Snowflakes are incredible, each one is unique and its beautiful and some people say shows the, "majesty of creation," etc. But people now know how exactly through crystallization how snowflakes form.

Then people like to spin it and say, "Well that's the process god chose to use." Really? He had a list of options and picked one? Sounds like a load of crap to me. And what does it say about an almighty deity that slowly but surely we've already unraveled many of the mysteries attributed to him?

God is a hypothesis that should be treated like any other, and I would say has been shown to be unnecessary and in fact cruel. The fact that death is inescapable and that NO ONE knows what happens after you die is scary.

Even in the bible when people rise from the dead (which if you look through wasn't that uncommon), no one ever asks, "Well what was it like?" NOT. ONE. FUCKING. PERSON. You'd think people would be interested in this afterlife we were supposedly put here for and live our lives by, but alas, no one ever inquires. EVER.

That's because no one has EVER come back from the dead, and I would suggest its impossible and will remain an unknown forever. Maybe though science will unravel that mystery (I mean hey, I'm sure some people thought of unweaving the mysteries of the cosmos would be impossible but we've come quite a long way). So to combat this ignorance we "imagined" a God up. So I would disagree with you that god is, "outside our imagination." I propose the ONLY place God can exist is INSIDE our imagination.

Sorry for the dissertation but I felt like ranting.

"In his best-selling book "A Brief History of Time", physicist Stephen Hawking claimed that when physicists find the theory he and his colleagues are looking for - a so-called "theory of everything" - then they will have seen into "the mind of God". Hawking is by no means the only scientist who has associated God with the laws of physics. Nobel laureate Leon Lederman, for example, has made a link between God and a subatomic particle known as the Higgs boson. Lederman has suggested that when physicists find this particle in their accelerators it will be like looking into the face of God. But what kind of God are these physicists talking about?"

is it possible that God could be completely explained through science? As if an God was actually a perfect law that could be seen throughout the entire universe. There is much to be said about the subconscious and it could be that science produced images of God as humans because it is something we can comprehend and understand, much as our brains produce people in our dreams. That still doesn't really answer the question of what God's purpose is, or of what he is asking of us, but maybe people how found when they followed The God law things turned out better for them, just like there is a certain way to get an airplane in the sky.

If you were to examine Hawking or Einstein you would discover that despite their loose sense of religious words like "god" they are actually talking about the physical laws that govern the universe. Not a supernatural being or skyhook (a source of design complexity that did not build on lower, simpler layers).

Dawkins makes a rudimentary point in his book TGD, 'If the word god is not to become complete useless, it should be used the way people have generally understood it: to denote a supernatural creator that is appropriate for us to worship'.

Hawking is using 'god' in a purely metaphorical, poetic sense and so are most physicist 'who occasionally slip into the language of religious metaphor'.

"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary."

-Hawkins

Hawkins is no religious man and neither are most of the physicist who commonly use god in their works.

-Einsteinian/Pantheistic God

Edited by Pastafarian, 18 November 2009 - 01:34 PM.

The absolute god is the universe itself, or perhaps something even higher than what we perceive as the universe, and we'll never truly understand how the universe came to be or how it works, so your basically right.

God is implausible

Correct. This makes it all the more beautiful when you realize God exists...

the existance of god is possible. all things we can concieve are possible.

philosophy has no definitive answer for these questions, they are all speculation and opinions (subjective)

the fact half of you are trying to convince eachother that you KNOW something, shows that you dont know anything at all.

Correct. This makes it all the more beautiful when you realize God exists...

I'm sure of it.

I still have yet to experience this realization. Keeping my eyes open for when it comes.

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible


The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

And what evidence do you have to support anything you said?

Correct. This makes it all the more beautiful when you realize God exists...

Describe that realization please.

We know enough about God.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.