A rare phenotype?

Discussion in 'Advanced Growing Techniques' started by rockyhollywood, Apr 19, 2009.

  1. thats cool. What a wierd one. "HEY THATS NOT WEED!" LOL:hello:
     
  2. I agree that this strain looks pretty close. Im guessing the original photo I posted was harvest time, and its missing the larger fan leaves. If you look closely you can see smaller leaves though amongst the calyxes. What is the strain in this pic? thanks man
     
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    ok so i think what you got here is a "Lamb" plant.... like lambs ear it kinda can look like very good weed but it is not weed at all and wont get u high .. don't :smoking:smoke it
     
  4. yo im azzy and my basic life goal is to grow weed.... and its more with a passion than anything .. like i wouldnt be croping da whole plant i would simply pick off the best nugs or if it looked a lil down not at all........any way can u hook it with a job at that place?":smoking:
     

  5. WTF ?!?! is that a language where you come from ?..and if so ..feel free to go back.
     
  6. LOL w/chronitron
     
  7. #47 Woodsmantoker, May 17, 2009
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    Correcto! However the cannabis sativa has multiple variations of trichome types per plant, so you would need to be a little more specific for classification purposes. :) Good job! :)

    This thread catches my interest. I am not as interested in determining if this is a result of pheno characteristics, as I am in genus classification. (however I will give you a some factual information to be used in helping determin your pheno questions)
    I am not a botanist, but my background is in Wildlife Biology. :D

    Here is some valuable information that you can use to help understand how to classifiy.



    Thank you Wikipedia!!!

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    SEM image of Nicotiana alata leaf's epidermis, showing trichomes (hair-like appendages) and stomata (eye-shaped slits, visible at full resolution).

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    Trichome


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    Bud and scape of a Stylidium species, displaying the trichomes that can trap and kill insects.


    Trichomes, from the Greek meaning "growth of hair", are fine outgrowths or appendages on plants and certain protists. These are of diverse structure and function. Examples are hairs, glandular hairs, scales, and papillae.

    Plant trichomes


    Aerial surface hairs

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    Epiderm of Arabidopsis thaliana with a trichome.


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    Flower bud of a Capsicum pubescens plant, with lots of trichomes.



    Trichomes on plants are epidermal outgrowths of various kinds. The terms emergences or prickles refer to outgrowths that involve more than the epidermis. This distinction is not always easily applied (see Wait-a-minute tree). Also, there are nontrichomatous epidermal cells that protrude from the surface.
    A common type of trichome is a hair. Plant hairs may be unicellular or multicellular, branched or unbranched. Multicellular hairs may have one or several layers of cells. Branched hairs can be dendritic (tree-like), tufted, or stellate (star-shaped).,
    A common type of trichome is the scale or peltate hair: a plate or shield-shaped cluster of cells attached directly to the surface or borne on a stalk of some kind.
    Any of the various types of hairs may be glandular.
    In describing the surface appearance of plant organs, such as stems and leaves, many terms are used in reference to the presence, form, and appearance of trichomes. The most basic terms used are glabrous-lacking hairs- and pubescent-having hairs. Details are provided by:
    • glabrous, glabrate – lacking hairs or trichomes; surface smooth
    • hirsute – coarsely hairy
    • hispid – having bristly hairs
    • downy – having an almost wool-like covering of long hairs
    • pilose – pubescent with long, straight, soft, spreading or erect hairs
    • puberulent – minutely pubescent; having fine, short, usually curly, hairs
    • pubescent – bearing hairs or trichomes of any type
    • strigillose – minutely strigose
    • strigose – having straight hairs all pointing in more or less the same direction as along a margin or midrib
    • villosulous – minutely villous
    • villous – having long, soft hairs, often curved, but not matted
    Hairs on plants are extremely variable in their presence across species, location on plant organs, density (even within a species), and therefore functionality. However, several basic functions or advantages of having surface hairs can be listed. It is likely that in many cases, hairs interfere with the feeding of at least some small herbivores and, depending upon stiffness and irritability to the "palate", large herbivores as well. Hairs on plants growing in areas subject to frost keep the frost away from the living surface cells. In windy locations, hairs break-up the flow of air across the plant surface, reducing evaporation. Dense coatings of hairs reflect solar radiation, protecting the more delicate tissues underneath in hot, dry, open habitats. And in locations where much of the available moisture comes from cloud drip, hairs appear to enhance this process.

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    Cannabaceae is a small family of flowering plants.
    According to the Royal Botanical Gardens database, there are 170 species grouped in nine to fifteen genera, including three well-known genera Cannabis (hemp), Humulus (hops) and Celtis (hackberries). Celtis is by far the largest genus, counting 100 species. However Celtis is sometimes considered to be in a sister family, Celtidaceae.



    "Just an FYI"
    If there were any botanist that you could ask this original question of, it should be Carl Linnaeus. He was the first person to classify Cannabis. Swedish botanist, physician, and zoologist, who laid the foundations for the modern scheme of binomial nomenclature. He is known as the father of modern taxonomy, and is also considered one of the fathers of modern ecology.

    It is also in my opinion that the structure of the leaf is not consistant with Cannabis Sativa however, this does not rule out the possibility. Here is why:

    Cannabis sativa's leaf is considered Palmately Compound. The leaf structure of the photographed plant seems to be lanceolate.

    Here is a diagram of types.

    Be aware that variation exists among cultivars and individual plants within the same species.
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    [SIZE=+2]lanceolate[/SIZE]
    length greater than width, broadest at the base, narrowing to the apex, lance-shaped
    Fraxinus pennsylvanica
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    [SIZE=+2]ovate[/SIZE]
    more or less rounded at both ends and broadest below the middle, egg-shaped
    Cornus florida


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    [SIZE=+2]elliptical[/SIZE]
    ellipse-shaped, narrow at each end, widest at the middle
    Cotoneaster dammeri
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    [SIZE=+2]cordate[/SIZE]
    more or less rounded at both ends and broadest below the middle, egg-shaped
    Cercis canadensis


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    [SIZE=+2]elliptical[/SIZE]
    ellipse-shaped, narrow at each end, widest at the middle
    Nyssa sylvatica
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    [SIZE=+2]oblong[/SIZE]
    longer than wide, sides parallel, rectangular with rounded corners



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    [SIZE=+2]linear[/SIZE]
    parallel sides, long and very narrow
    Hemerocallis
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    [SIZE=+2]auriculate[/SIZE]
    having auricle(s) -- ear-shaped lobe(s) at the base of leaves or petals
    Arabis caucasica


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    [SIZE=+2]obovate[/SIZE]
    inversely ovate, broader above the middle than below
    Myrica pensylvanica
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    [SIZE=+2]oblanceolate[/SIZE]
    inversely lanceolate, broader above the middle and tapering to the base
    Ilex glabra


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    [SIZE=+2]spatulate[/SIZE]
    oblong with the basal end narrowed and the apical end rounded, spoon-shaped
    Myrica pensylvanica
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    [SIZE=+2]needle[/SIZE]
    slender leaf of many conifers
    Pinus sylvestris


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    [SIZE=+2]palmately lobed[/SIZE]
    three or more lobes radiating fan-like from a common base
    Acer saccharum
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    [SIZE=+2]pinnately lobed[/SIZE]
    segments or lobes along each side of a common axis
    Quercus palustris


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    [SIZE=+2]scale-like[/SIZE]
    small appressed leaf or bract
    Juniperus
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    [SIZE=+2]awl-like[/SIZE]
    tapering from the base to a sharp point
    Juniperus


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    [SIZE=+2]simple[/SIZE]
    not compound, not divided into secondary units
    Cercis canadensis
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    [SIZE=+2]pinnately compound[/SIZE]
    compound leaf with the leaflets arranged on both sides of the rachis or axis bract
    Fraxinus americana

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    [SIZE=+2]palmately compound[/SIZE]
    three or more leaflets radiating fan-like from a common basal point of attachment
    Aesculus hipocastanum
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    [SIZE=+2]bipinnately compound[/SIZE]
    twice pinnate, the primary leaflets are divided into secondary leaflets, also written 2-pinnate
    Gleditsia triacanthos


    As for Pheno Type Questions: The following is some of the information that I would consider.
    Flower specialization and pollination

    Flowering plants usually face selective pressure to optimise the transfer of their pollen, and this is typically reflected in the morphology of the flowers and the behaviour of the plants. Pollen may be transferred between plants via a number of 'vectors'. Some plants make use of abiotic vectors - namely wind (anemophily) or, much less commonly, water (hydrophily). Others use biotic vectors including insects (entomophily), birds (ornithophily), bats (chiropterophily) or other animals. Some plants make use of multiple vectors, but many are highly specialised.
    Cleistogamous flowers are self pollinated, after which they may or may not open. Many Viola and some Salvia species are known to have these types of flowers.
    The flowers of plants that make use of biotic pollen vectors commonly have glands called nectaries that act as an incentive for animals to visit the flower. Some flowers have patterns, called nectar guides, that show pollinators where to look for nectar. Flowers also attract pollinators by scent and color. Still other flowers use mimicry to attract pollinators. Some species of orchids, for example, produce flowers resembling female bees in color, shape, and scent. Flowers are also specialized in shape and have an arrangement of the stamens that ensures that pollen grains are transferred to the bodies of the pollinator when it lands in search of its attractant (such as nectar, pollen, or a mate). In pursuing this attractant from many flowers of the same species, the pollinator transfers pollen to the stigmas-arranged with equally pointed precision-of all of the flowers it visits.
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    Callistemon citrinus flowers.


    Anemophilous flowers use the wind to move pollen from one flower to the next. Examples include grasses, birch trees, ragweed and maples. They have no need to attract pollinators and therefore tend not to be "showy" flowers. Male and female reproductive organs are generally found in separate flowers, the male flowers having a number of long filaments terminating in exposed stamens, and the female flowers having long, feather-like stigmas. Whereas the pollen of animal-pollinated flowers tends to be large-grained, sticky, and rich in protein (another "reward" for pollinators), anemophilous flower pollen is usually small-grained, very light, and of little nutritional value to animals.

    Morphology

    Flowering plants are heterosporangiate, producing two types of reproductive spores. The pollen (male spores) and ovules (female spores) are produced in different organs, but the typical flower is a bisporangiate strobilus in that it contains both organs.
    A flower is regarded as a modified stem with shortened internodes and bearing, at its nodes, structures that may be highly modified leaves.[1] In essence, a flower structure forms on a modified shoot or axis with an apical meristem that does not grow continuously (growth is determinate). Flowers may be attached to the plant in a few ways. If the flower has no stem but forms in the axil of a leaf, it is called sessile. When one flower is produced, the stem holding the flower is called a peduncle. If the peduncle ends with groups of flowers, each stem that holds a flower is called a pedicel. The flowering stem forms a terminal end which is called the torus or receptacle. The parts of a flower are arranged in whorls on the torus. The four main parts or whorls (starting from the base of the flower or lowest node and working upwards) are as follows:

    Diagram showing the main parts of a mature flower


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    An example of a "perfect flower", this Crateva religiosa flower has both stamens (outer ring) and a pistil (center).


    • Calyx: the outer whorl of sepals; typically these are green, but are petal-like in some species.
    • Corolla: the whorl of petals, which are usually thin, soft and colored to attract insects that help the process of pollination.
    • Androecium (from Greek andros oikia: man's house): one or two whorls of stamens, each a filament topped by an anther where pollen is produced. Pollen contains the male gametes.
    • Gynoecium (from Greek gynaikos oikia: woman's house): one or more pistils. The female reproductive organ is the carpel: this contains an ovary with ovules (which contain female gametes). A pistil may consist of a number of carpels merged together, in which case there is only one pistil to each flower, or of a single individual carpel (the flower is then called apocarpous). The sticky tip of the pistil, the stigma, is the receptor of pollen. The supportive stalk, the style becomes the pathway for pollen tubes to grow from pollen grains adhering to the stigma, to the ovules, carrying the reproductive material.
    Although the floral structure described above is considered the "typical" structural plan, plant species show a wide variety of modifications from this plan. These modifications have significance in the evolution of flowering plants and are used extensively by botanists to establish relationships among plant species. For example, the two subclasses of flowering plants may be distinguished by the number of floral organs in each whorl: dicotyledons typically having 4 or 5 organs (or a multiple of 4 or 5) in each whorl and monocotyledons having three or some multiple of three. The number of carpels in a compound pistil may be only two, or otherwise not related to the above generalization for monocots and dicots.
    In the majority of species individual flowers have both pistils and stamens as described above. These flowers are described by botanists as being perfect, bisexual, or hermaphrodite. However, in some species of plants the flowers are imperfect or unisexual: having only either male (stamens) or female (pistil) parts. In the latter case, if an individual plant is either female or male the species is regarded as dioecious. However, where unisexual male and female flowers appear on the same plant, the species is considered monoecious.
    Additional discussions on floral modifications from the basic plan are presented in the articles on each of the basic parts of the flower. In those species that have more than one flower on an axis-so-called composite flowers-the collection of flowers is termed an inflorescence; this term can also refer to the specific arrangements of flowers on a stem. In this regard, care must be exercised in considering what a ‘‘flower'' is. In botanical terminology, a single daisy or sunflower for example, is not a flower but a flower head-an inflorescence composed of numerous tiny flowers (sometimes called florets). Each of these flowers may be anatomically as described above. Many flowers have a symmetry, if the perianth is bisected through the central axis from any point, symmetrical halves are produced-the flower is called regular or actinomorphic, e.g. rose or trillium. When flowers are bisected and produce only one line that produces symmetrical halves the flower is said to be irregular or zygomorphic. e.g. snapdragon or most orchids.



    I hope this was of help and not to much information for one thread post :eek:
     
  8. Haha people and their egos aye... It is most certainly weed.

    After saving and resizing the picture (as one should really do before they start sharing their worthless opinions) You can quite clearly see that it's a we;; manicured plant. Check the image I uploaded it has a distinct leaf which is cannabis as well as calxyes if you look closely.

    I've bought a bag of a strange strain (which the seller said was an afghani) about 8 years ago that seemed similar except if anything it would have had more of a lime tinge to it. It was distinctly different from anything I've grown or smoked since and I havent really had longer than a couple of days off since that day...

    I think it's the Albino of the Cannabis world, I doubt you'd be able to find any particular strain which would throw one of these out the genepool but I do know if I ever grow one I'll be sure to take a few clones.
     

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  9. yea its weed, 4 sure, really great weed by the looks of it
     

  10. hey bitch im from America so how the fuck can i go back no other country will take us..
    and fuck you you arrogant prick talkn shit cuz u cant grow tisk tisk
     
  11. plz listen really quick dont get ur hopes up its a strain of "LAMBS BUD" dont smoke look into what the lamb plant is
     
  12. /sigh

    Well at least I can understand that. :(

    "Lamb Plant" :rolleyes:

    aka: Lamb's Ear ( Stachys byzantina)

    tried to find pics to support your theory... and they are all "close" ..cept for the branching.:p

    Now I am only sure of one thing about that first pic...

    the person who made the pic is a good "clicker"! Cause it is just good enough to stir debate..which I am sure sells seeds no matter the "legality" ( for lack of a better word) of the picture.

    But hey what do I know..I only smoke what I grow :smoking:
     

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  13. omg

    smoke a few bowls, act like you did 5 shots of liquor, and read this like your a recovering alcoholic..

    hilarious :D
     
  14. y you gonna fuck with the man like that, that shit is a scam pack.
     
  15. Turns out it might be weed!!


    BC Seeds
     
  16. I call bullsh!t on anyone claiming BCSeeds as a reference.

    that place cant have anything that much better than anyone elses stock. Too many good breeders out there...and a few phenomenal ones....who would never claim to have a plant that produces quite like BCS claims.
     

  17. LOL.... least the ad only goes to a 85$ strain...not 1k+$


    but yeah BC's claims are WAY THE FUCK OUT THERE !!!! ( can you say "impossible"). And props to whoever took that tighty whitey pic. but next time do it in a lighted room without the flash..so we get the real picture.
     
  18. #59 mbeezy, Sep 22, 2009
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    check this strain out. it looks like the closest thing out there to your plant. lol
    BC Seeds
     

  19. ive seen some bud on the same scale as this, except instead of frosty white, it was golden, the buds were a dark brown/green, but it reaked up my friends house without even smoking any, on a windy ass day i could smell it 5 feet from his back door
     

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