Outdoor Grow Guide

Discussion in 'Growing Marijuana Outdoors' started by Corto Malteze, Dec 19, 2008.

  1. Ok CB! Yeah , I edited the post before seeing your post (I added mostly, lol). OP uses fish emulsion all season long ;). This guide is just what I figured out from the last months on GC. It's like a summary. I just grew 3 times with chemicals so I'm not an organic pro you know! The GC gardeners in this guide can probably answer your questions better than me. :smoking: especially after wake n' bake! But I'll do my best. I have grown it 3 times (2 successes) in the wild though!
     
  2. + rep
    great guide i cant wait for this springe :)
     
  3. The best outdoor grow guide I've seen.Definately should be a sticky. I liked the tip on coloring the cut of a branch. Never thought of that one.:hello:
     
  4. kick ass thread man Thanks!
     
  5. Thanks guys! I got so much info. here from everybody, I needed to write it down safely somewhere. :D
     
  6. stickied! thanks again Sr. Malteze & everyone else who contributed.
     
  7. Nice job Corto! this is a welcomed addition to the forum.:hello:
     
  8. Thank you!
     
  9. i dont mean to sound like a dumbass but i just want to get a few things straight before i start my first grow. i just ordered galaxy god bud seeds from bcseeds.com and i dont want to ruin them.

    "Use 1/2 organic potting soil (no manures or organic ferted soils like FFOF: too hot) + 1/2 peat moss + 15% wormcastings"

    what is peat moss and wormcastings? if i go to home depot and ask for them will they know what i am talking about?

    once again "If you're going organic, OP's 3-4 gallon pots have 20% worm castings + a 1/2 handful of blood meal and a 1/2 handful of bone meal + 60 Promix + 20 native soil."

    could you please explain this to me

    "After 1 month or so, take them out from the cups (cut the cups), and put them in 3-4 gallon pots in order to kill the males if non femmed before you put only females in the holes (no males in the hole is smart thanks OldPork)"

    i am really confused about this, after you cut the cups are you putting them in a pot or burying them in the ground.

    thanks in advance. sorry if i sounded like a complete dumbass but i didnt want to waist my time and money and seeds
     
  10. #31 Corto Malteze, Jan 20, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 21, 2009
    No problem. It is kind of tricky!

    When they're babies, you don't want to burn them with manures or meals or a rich store bought soil. So in the their first home, the cups or smaller pots, you only put peat (or pro mix) which doesn't burn and some good potting soil to get a good mix. After 1 month, either you have feminized seeds and you can put them in the hole directly or you have non feminized seeds and maybe you'll want to put them in 3 gallon pots until they show sex, discard the males, and only put the females in the holes.
    Worm castings is worm shit (doesn't burn), very important for drainage and airing out and food for plants/micro organisms.
    Sphagnum Peat moss serves to lighten (air out) the soil as opposed to having all potting soil (heavy on the roots), and serves to retain water. That way you have a godd "water-air" ratio.
    Do not mix 1/2 peat and 1/2 clay soil in your holes (bring other 1/2 of soil if the native dirt is clayey or argilleous). :wave:

    PS:
    Add vermiculite to retain water if needed. Add perlite (expensive) or sand (cheap,free) to drain.
    To get peat+vermi+perlite+trace elements+fungi: Promix-Bx or same type. The peat (or promix) does not need to be added in winter as it doesn't hurt the plants and can be used from the bag.
    You can add a rich potting soil/old compost for the other half.
    And the worm castings
    The manure and meals are already in the hole since Dec-Jan-Feb.
     
  11. Thanks for the help if i have any other questions ill be sure to come to u because it sounds like u know what u r doing lol. I will be starting a grow journal in the next few week to let u guys know who they r doing. One more quick question. I am getting 10 seeds. Should i start all 10 of them or just a few so i can learn what i am doin
     
  12. #33 Corto Malteze, Jan 20, 2009
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    If they get 4-5 hours of direct sun (as babies, 5-6 as adult plants), and they're protected from frost, animals and slugs (and people), they'll all do fine. Just don't over water them (wait until the soil dries out a little) and don't use too many nutes on them. It's better to get all 10 going, that way it's not complicated and done with. The main thing is keeping a low profile while your plants have plenty of good food, water and sun. The nute thing may sound a little complicated but stealth, water, sun, a good soil mix, a few nutes (N, P, K) at the right time and some trace elements will work just fine.

    Important: you MUST have prepared your passage way to the plot before starting.
    During the day, (if this is a place without houses : your spot can be lost before you even dig the hole if people see you crawling in some bushes or you wreck it just checking the spot the 1st time). Discretely find a passage way you'll be using the night (imo) you bring in the pick ax and horse manure/meals... I bring in the soil (if nec.) and the plants on other nights. I use my car to get closer only on the nights I transport the soil mix and the pick ax.

    The passage way or access MUST be invisible in broad daylight
    so if there's a nice hedge or branches hiding the place, don't just go through it and destroy the spot. Go around and find a natural or artificially made discrete entry you'll use (use rocks and existing paths to get close, go around before getting too close). Rippers follow paths. Don't invite them in!

    That's why I choose this entry route carefully during the day. I mark my digging spots with some rope/thread I'll recognize at night and I make sure to remember the way in. I don't want to be lost and wrecking veg. on the night I dig and fill up the holes.

    I mark my parking spot with Google Earth, where the containers/wheel barrow are (hidden on the way to the water springs), where the spots are, and what road is better to get there. I calculate the distances between grow spots and water springs, is it possible or is that too many plants for 1 person (before digging). I'll have under 10 going (means 2 nights of digging and enough work hauling water considering the distances -hence the wheel barrow I'll hide well). I really prefer using water springs (even a little far off: one spot has 30 minutes minimum walk with full wheelbarrow to a nice spring I know will stay all summer). Some spots are closer to the water springs luckily, and I won't need the wheel barrow and can also quickly drop off water (very remote place anyway), in case the springs dry out during the summer.

    After parking/hiding the car, the plan is to ride my bike for 10 minutes (or walk 30 mins) to the water source and hidden containers, WITHOUT the car. It'll probably be just me and the wild boar anyway: this place is infested with them. They scare the shit out of me with their grunting and running away but they never charged me or bothered my mj. Plus I don't want to wreck my car (ok dirt routes but still some rocks) so I prefer doing it at night and on foot. Even if it takes more time, it's safer. I just can't work peacefully during the day.

    There may be some military training some nights in the summer here. Anyway, don't keep your car related to the op for long, or at all. The night you dig has to go smoothly without breaking any veg. If the path is well chosen, it is possible to hardly break any vegetaion around until the end of the season and stay discrete. But sneaking in is part of the plan, right?

    Good luck to everybody.
     
  13. just a few tips.also thanx 4 awesome thread!I steal netting the golf courses use its very stealth and stops small rodents too! not to mention cheap!!!fuk golf courses!and I also use a post hole digger(auger) to spread plants out for short hike!
     
  14. #35 Corto Malteze, Jan 23, 2009
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    A few more explanations:

    Hole prep: dig a hole (leave a mound at the bottom if it rains a lot where you are) in Jan-Feb. Take half of the native soil out (or all of it if it's very clayey; replace with potting soil/peat now or later when you plant). Put horse manure, blood meal, bone meal (I'll be adding rinced sea weed too -half or same proportions as horse manure: 1/4 or 1/2 shovel) and some saw dust. You can add a little peat/potting soil too (peat/potting soil doesn't need to decompose though) in winter to mix things in.

    Worm castings, peat, fish (just don't put the fish or the manures directly under the root ball but a few inches under) are added when you put the plants in April-May--->July depending on if you wait to put only females in the holes.

    Protect the babies (animals walking on them, heavy rains, slugs) until they're 2 ft tall (and even after: keep the copper ring around the stems, put smelly repellants for eventual animals). You can put the plants in the hole when they're very small but they'll be on their own in the woods (can be fine if untouched by exterior). You can put them all in the hole before they show sex but you'll have to cut the males who will have taken up holes you worked hard to dig (work for nothing).

    Ferts: Nettle tea is excellent for N and other stuff (protects plant). Use also worm castings tea, compost tea, fish emulsion , seaweed tea (K, trace elements). Sprinkle bat guano on top for P during flowering (can also be found in liquid form) (August --->). Use unsulphured molasses tea only in last 3 weeks.

    Tea making: Place what you want in some stockings. Place in water (make it hang from the bottle opening or place at the bottom), for 1- 2 weeks (mix every day or use a stone bubbler) until it gets foamy and smells like yeast (place net on top against unwanted bugs). Use 1 liter for 5 liters. Also see recipe for fish/seaweed/sawdust tea (link at the bottom). Use the teas within a few days of making them.


    I find the best spots I have are surrounded by bushes everywhere so animals (and humans who can't see) aren't likely to get in there. Animals stay away from human smell in general. I don't add anything like fences or chicken wire around my plants (no deer here) but lots of wild boar, foxes, wild cats... who mind their own business and didn't enter my spots (prickers etc...). Pepper and smelly deterrents (etc...) are good to avoid this risk if your plants aren't protected but are close to animal walk ways. A big fence can be very visible (and maybe useless) but chicken wire can be good in the first months for small plants so they aren't knocked over, eaten or crushed to death.

    For the ferts, I don't fert at all in the 1st month. Then, gradually start with some fish emulsion or nettle tea. The teas are made just like you make your own tea (mix every day though). Just wait until it's foamy and smells of yeast and use it (diluted). Bring some along and mix it with the wild water on your spot. Some solid ferts (like bat guano or horn and hoof...) are added in the first inch of soil (not close to the stem -may burn roots-) and then you water with plain water over that. Solid ferts aren't easily soluble in water, that's why you put them on top.

    N teas reduce the pH (make it more acidic)
    P teas increase the pH (make it more basic)


    So alternate between the two to avoid pH problems and nute lock (too much salt build up). However, if this is outdoor organics, the humates (compost, manure) will act as a natural buffer to any pH fluctuation. Don't use a lot of native dirt without testing the pH though. Add lime (pH+) for acidic soils, or garden Sulphur (pH-) for alkaline soils.

    Don't forget the epsom salts ( important for Sulphur, Magnesium) twice in the season, some sea weed (K potassium + calcium) or molasses, or greensand for K. Russian comfrey also has lots of K (and high N)

    Don't forget the mulch over winter AND during the whole grow (use hay, straw, lava rock, grass clippings.... Pine bark is acidic). This is imortant to prtotect the micro herd and worms while they break down the meals and manures you placed a few months earlier. Plant and add more mulch.


    Some growth hormones if needed (Russian comfrey already has these for example).

    Mycorrhyza (for poor soils): a mycorrhza is the association of a fungus and a plants' roots. The plant makes more carbohydrates in the roots (usually, they are mostly in the leaves). The fungi eat the carbohydrates. As they grow on the roots, they become a large mushroom web around the root which is in fact an extended root system for the plant. The plant can take in nutrients and keep water better. In base soils, plants can't absorb some phosphate ions (and phosphorous) and this association prevents this problem. Wikipedia explains that mycorrhyza are added especially to poor nutrient soils. I bet that it's full of those associations once you've put in all the goodies. Can be important to add if you don't have a rich, organic mix. Used in indoor grows.

    That's about it. If your plants droop (and the tips of the leaves start yellowing after watering them with ferts, that means there is too much nutes for them). Rince (flush) the soil with plain water and wait several weeks.They can also droop by lack of water. Mj eats the ferts in 2-3 weeks so fert them every 3 weeks. Plain water the rest of the time.


    Summary: How to find and prepare your outdoor spot by Corto Maltese.
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/336044-post-your-outdoor-spot.html

    Corto's Winter-Spring easy soil preparation:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/330483-easy-free-outdoor-soil-preparation.html

    16 elements needed by plants:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/326896-16-elements.html

    Homemade cheap Veg. and Flow. organic tea:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/326052-fish-emulsion-seaweed-sawdust-fertilizer.html

    Corto's easy Homemade nettles/comfrey slurry (for making teas) and other organic tea recipes:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/organic-growing/333940-post-your-organic-tea-recipe-2.html

    Corto's Free amendments (seaweed, manures...):
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/325374-free-soil-amendments-3.html

    Rock dust and greensand
    (trace elements and water retention for greensand):
    http://forum.grasscity.com/organic-growing/342618-greensand-rock-dust-important.html

    OldPork's GHS White Widow Outdoor 2008 Grow:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/297291-oldporks-outdoor-organic-compilation.html

    Dierwolf's Topping and Fimming: Macro Pics.
    http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/122559-how-fimming-topping-made-easy.html

    Dierwolf's LSTing (for guerilla, let it grow tall / medium tall, bend and tie to the ground in 2-3 times).
    http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/122936-how-lst-low-stress-training.html

    Corto's How to amend soils with what's near your spot:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/organic-growing/334332-organic-soil-amendment.html

    Corto's Choosing your soil mix/your region:

    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/340043-soil-recipes.html

    Corto's Warning about using Peat Moss:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/341836-peat-moss-warning.html

    Corto's Warning about using Lime
    :
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/342579-lime-manures-warning.html

    OldPork's Homemade Wormcasting bin:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/organic-growing/334921-vermicomposting-make-your-own-worm-castings.html

    OldPork's Auto watering machine
    :
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/251520-oldporks-auto-watering-machine.html

    CannabisBlunt's Auto watering machine
    :
    http://forum.grasscity.com/general-outdoor-growing/304400-cannabisblunts-easy-gravity-irrigation-system-pics-outdoor-guerrilla-farming.html

    Backcountry's A.w.m. and Peat wick auto pots:
    http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=88022&userid=

    Corto's Natural insecticides and fungicides:
    http://forum.grasscity.com/organic-growing/335656-cortos-natural-insecticides-fungicides.html



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  15. Corto, are you a librarian by chance? Lol :hello:
     
  16. Haha ElDiablo! No!
     
  17. Very Thorough, Corto. Bravo!:hello:
    +Rep
     
  18. would it work if i grow ware a fire went through
     
  19. Just wanted to be clear, am I to understand that I need to prepare the soil at my grow spot around now or within a month?
     

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