exactly, It hasn't been proven. Its a fact that since september 11, an official statement linking "terrorists" to the attacks hasn't been issued. So why are we over there? It's a lot like the "war on marijuaja" FALSE PROPOGANDA
I wish these conspiracy theorist would learn to use the search button,this entire thread should be deleted for the simple fact that is been done so many times.
Sorry but this thread is a waste of time, those who would believe this already know, those who won't are too stubborn to be enlightened by your "revelation." Sorry but you're attempt is futile.
No one here knows what happened on 9/11. That's why they're called theories. Believing the pancake theory is no more ridiculous than 90% of the conspiracy theories out there.
I'm more inclined to believe towers 1 + 2 could have fallen unassisted like that. I believe it is designed so that is how it would collapse Building #7, however, is a phenomenon. Surprisingly objective NYT article: "Fires, Not Explosives, Felled 3rd Tower on 9/11, Report Says" vc77's thread
Can I get a citation? The closest reliable thing I can find is MASCAL, a training scenario that took place before 9-11 Yet I found this. Nope. Unfortunately there are a number of reason that the WTC collapses was nothing like a demolition. Oh and by the way: It didn't fall at free fall. In fact, it fell at exactly the speed it should be expected to have collapsed with a structure under it. Well firstly, the Port Authority of New York never reliquished ownership of the WTC. They are the owners. They had sold a lease to Silverstein in 1980. Also, the insurance policy should come as no surprise considering that the buildings had been the target of a terrorist plot in the past already. Not to mention the Larry Silverstein had to go through an ensuing legal battle over the terms of the insurance policy and has lost untold billions because of 9-11. In fact, Silverstein has to pay HUNDREDS of millions of dollars on the plot of land still and has to until his insurance situation is fully worked out. Yeah, they must have planted all those unburned airplane seat cushions too Oh please, this was debunked years ago. Why do people still bring this argument up? http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm Hahaha oh wow "On the morning of 9/11, the existing protocol for hijackings was unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen. The defense of U.S. airspace depended on close interaction between two federal agencies: the FAA and the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). The FAA's Boston Center and other air traffic control centers alerted NEADS of the four hijackings, though with little or no advance notice for NEADS and NORAD to mount a response. At most, NEADS had 9 minutes advance notice of the first hijacking (American Airlines Flight 11) NEADS was notified about United Airlines Flight 175 at 9:03 a.m. - the same time that it crashed into the World Trade Center's south tower. NEADS had four minutes advance notice of American Airlines Flight 77. NEADS was notified about United Airlines Flight 93 at 10:07 a.m. - after it already had crashed." From: http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/NORAD Better yet is following the evidence and attempting to systematically disengage bias. Looking them up showed me that alot of them weren't facts at all, just conceptions, speculation, hearsay and conjecture. Can and did. How'd I do? What do I bet that you respond with a run-of-the-mill logical fallacy?
there are arguments that could be used against your arguments that you have challenged my statements with why then was the pentagon meant to have been hit with a 474 when the hole was not big enough for a 474 to have hit the grass growing next to the pentagon was in perfect condition, when the plane was meant to have hit against and slid against the ground before contact why was no plane wreckage found why was all footage on all survelance cameras that could see the pentagon from the view it was hit taken and confiscated
I think a few ppl have already said it and i agree you guys need to stop arguing, its a personal belief, It wouldn't matter if everyone in the world believed it was an inside job, even if it was 100% proven....that wouldn't change anything however I do believe the public isn't getting the whole story. Everyone lies i don't know why people find it so hard to believe that our government could (and has) lied but its not like there gunna come out and say " yeah...sooo ummm we kinda put bombs in the towers....errr our bad...."
And yet you don't make any and instead just make MORE claims. You haven't done any research on this beyond Alex Jones and Loose Change, huh? "FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings. Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen." The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide - not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage." Source: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#bigplane Well it did, and the grass was on fire, according to photographs and Alan Wallace, a firefighter for the Pentagon Heliport. Also, there is considerable evidence of the incoming path that plane took. Most notably the busted lamposts, and smashed generator I've never heard it asserted that the plane actually SLID across the lawn. It flew damn close, close enough to smash a generator. There was, lots of it. Because that is standard operating procedure in federal criminal investigations.
I think, outside of any kind of evidence on the actual event, you'd have to be an idiot to just completely put this past our government in its current state. The fact that they won't honestly answer any of the questions posed on the situation just makes it even worse. And then the subsequent, unwarranted invasion of Iraq and the entire 'war on terror' and the hasty pushing through of the patriot act before anyone could read it. This pretty much makes it obvious, to me at least, the govt played some kind of role in the attack, whether they only knew about it and let it happen or planned the whole damn thing themselves, and either way, they should all be hanged for treason.
+ Rep. Whether or not 9/11 was an inside job your government took it and used is as an excuse to turn on the propaganda machine and force you to give away your rights and your money. The patriot act was written MONTHS before 9/11. They were just waiting for an excuse to enact it. Look past the non-issues and examine the results. It doesn't matter whether the government knew, was a part of, or was completely oblivious to the attacks you should be MAD anyway!
No matter how obvious anything in this situation is, there are millions of Americans who consider it unpatriotic to question anything our government/president tells us. And those self-proclaimed patriots would have YOU hanged for treason simply for questioning this situation. Strange isn't it?
Yes, and it's a damned shame. I'd like to know when the entirety of the American public lost its ability to think for itself. The inception of television, maybe? What was the Boston Tea Party, what was the entire American Revolution? I shouldn't even be on here typing this, considering that bill that says anyone saying anything anti-government can be held as a terrorist. So long, first amendment.
I completely agree with this.... although I don't think the government had anything to do with 9/11, I do believe that they mishandled the situation and used it as an excuse for so many unjustified actions. However this is the part I strongly disagree with: Of course we are mad anyway... I don't think many Americans are exactly proud of their government's decisions in the years since 9/11. Most are quite unhappy with the current state of our country. However, literally planning attacks on innocent citizens, and having the wrong reaction, are entirely different. This isn't about whether the United States should be viewed in a favorable manner in general... it's about whether or not the government of a major world power deliberately murdered 3,000 of its own citizens. Let's not turn this into a debate on blind patriotism.
Sam_Spade... you just popped a whole bottle of Viagra, bent him over the table, and stuck it in his ass.... damn... serious rape +rep nonetheless
I definitely can see your point of view, I'm glad we can agree on the propoganda, and I don't think we're 100% disagreeing here. Anyway, here are some videos my old drum teacher made on the subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSrZZ61-9Wc The obvious media antagonization of the issue makes me wonder about what the intentions of the propaganda is.
New film by Jason Bermas from (www.wearechange.org) called Fabled Enemies, worth a look at least. http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=fabled+enemies&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f# (Full Video) I know this doesn't really belong here but i bet a good majority of US citizens still think Russia was the ones who started the Russian/Georgian Conflict on 8/8/08. When in fact it was Georgia that started it. This is actual footage of what Georgian troops were doing in Tskhinval when they entered the city after shelling it all night on August 8. A Georgian machine gunner shoots at civilian dwellings and it seems he enjoys the process like a boy playing a video-game. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXmHJpwhLPI 12 y.o. American girl, witness of Georgia war, censored by Fox News, 2of2 www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWRxZjsu7iA