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Jesus and Horus are ONE!!!!!! Undeniable facts the church is keeping secret!!!


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Not.

I was putting together a page about the supposed similarities between Jesus and Horus and found a lot of very good responses have already been written on the subject, so if you don't mind I'll post some of it here. There are tens more points that could be made, but these'll do for now.

The idea that they are so similiar is playing a larger part in a lot of daft new beliefs and it needs shooting down asap. Anyone can read the life and death of Horus online and instantly see how markedly different the stories are.


1. Hours born of a virgin named Mary. <> Jesus born of a virgin.
Hours was born to a goddess married to another god (Isis, married to Osiris.)


2. The foster father of Hours was Seb or Seph. <> Jesus was fostered by Joseph.
Heru/Horus didn't have a foster-father

touregypt.net...

3. Horus was of royal descent. <> Jesus was of royal descent.
Horus was the son of the first gods. Not royalty.


4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. <> Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.

Not according to the Delta Cycle (oldest complete texts of the Horus myth. B) The wise men were not present at Jesus birth. c) There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Hours.

5. The birth of Horus announced by angels and a star. <> The birth of Jesus announced by angels and a star.

Hardly. Isis gave birth to him in secret (see the above pages) No star either for Horus.

6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. <> Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.
Set and his minions, the snakes, tried to murder Horus from the time he was born until he was grown. (BTW, the "slaughter of the innocents" never happened. There's no graveyards full of Jewish male infants killed at the same time period in either reign of Herod, and no legal records of this and no revolts associated with it.)

7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. <> Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.
Baptism is a Christian tradition... Egyptians had no such tradition. Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories.


8. Hours resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. <> Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.


They have a several battles and then (depending on the text) Horus seduces Set or Set seduces Horus (yes, homosexuality among the gods.) Isis puts Set's semen on lettuce which is then fed to Set (by Horus) and Set becomes pregnant by Horus. This is all very Jesus-like
www.marysia.com...


9. Horus had 12 followers. <> Jesus had 12 disciples.

Horus was a god (and one of the oldest) and had millions of followers. He had no 'disciples', though he was sometimes accompanied by 4 demi-gods.



10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. <> Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

Horus was never invoked to heal the sick, nor did he heal the sick. He flew... he didn't walk on water.

11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] <> Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.
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Actually, it was Isis who ressurected Osiris. Horus avenged him:
www.marysia.com...

12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. <> The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.


Newsflash: Horus isn't dead.

13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified.

14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. <> Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. <> Jesus was resurrected after over a period of three days.


Please see above. Horus never died.

17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. <> The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.


Ditto.

18. Horus was given the title KRST which means “anointed one” <> Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”

Jesus yes, Horus, no.

19. Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection. There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it. I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it...."




There's a lot more of the above that anyone can find and verify. After you've done so, check on YouTube and see how many DVD's are being sold on the premise that the above 'similarities' are all true.

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Jesus is God.
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Jesus is God.



Well, I'm convinced. :rolleyes:

I would just like to make the statement that, for the record, Horus is God.

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horus and Jesus are both god, as well as:


Agdistis or Angdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Amaterasu
An
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu
Aphrodite
Apollo
Apsu
Ares
Artemis
Asclepius
Athena
Athirat
Athtart
Atlas
Baal
Ba Xian
Bacchus
Balder
Bast
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Bixia Yuanjin
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Camaxtli
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Charun
Cheng-huang
Cybele
Dagon
Damkina (Dumkina)
Davlin
Demeter
Diana
Di Cang
Dionysus
Ea
El
Enki
Enlil
Epona
Ereskigal
Farbauti
Fenrir
Forseti
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Hades
Hanuman
Helios
Heng-o (Chang-o)
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hestia
Hod
Hoderi
Hoori
Horus
Hotei
Huitzilopochtli
Hsi-Wang-Mu
Hygeia
Inanna
Inti
Ishtar
Isis
Ixtab
Izanaki
Izanami
Jesus
Juno
Jupiter
Juturna
Kagutsuchi
Kartikeya
Khepri
Ki
Kingu
Kinich Ahau
Kishar
Krishna
Kukulcan
Lakshmi
Liza
Loki
Lugh
Luna
Magna Mater
Maia
Marduk
Mars
Medb
Mercury
Mimi
Minerva
Mithras
Morrigan
Mot
Mummu
Nammu
Nanna
Nanna (Norse)
Nanse
Neith
Nemesis
Nephthys
Neptune
Nergal
Ninazu
Ninhurzag
Nintu
Ninurta
Njord
Nut
Odin
Ohkuninushi
Ohyamatsumi
Orgelmir
Osiris
Ostara
Pan
Parvati
Phaethon
Phoebe
Pilumnus
Poseidon
Quetzalcoatl
Rama
Re
Rhea
Sabazius
Sarasvati
Selene
Shiva
Seshat
Seti (Set)
Shamash
Shapsu
Shen Yi
Shiva
Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
Sin
Sirona
Sol
Surya
Susanoh
Tawaret
Tefnut
Tezcatlipoca
Thanatos
Thor
Tiamat
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tyche
Tyr
Utu
Uzume
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Xipe
Xi Wang-mu
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Yam
Yarikh
Ymir
Yu-huang
Yum Kimil
Zeus


but the point is, they still dont exist.
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I like how the OP took me several minutes to read, and the first response took less than 1 second, and had nothing to do with the OP.

I just loved the title of this thread, I have nothing more to add, except to say that all the myths are starting to look alike...

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neato.

edit: oops got hours and horus, mixed up. greek and egyptian.

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Great post MelT. I didn't get to read all of it, but will asap.

Jesus is God.


Then how come Jesus is not omniscient as God is?

"No man knoweth... Nor the angels... Nor the SON... Which hour the end cometh" -- Matthew 24.

Jesus, by his own admission, is not omniscient, and therefore CANNOT be God -- as the God of the Bible is an omniscient God.

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horus and Jesus are both god, as well as:


The difference between those characters of theology and Jesus is that Jesus of Nazareth was an actual documented individual and that has been proven with historical references and sources.

I like how the OP took me several minutes to read, and the first response took less than 1 second, and had nothing to do with the OP.

I just loved the title of this thread, I have nothing more to add, except to say that all the myths are starting to look alike...


What? the title of the thread is sarcasm, did you even read the OP?
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The difference between those characters of theology and Jesus is that Jesus of Nazareth was an actual documented individual and that has been proven with historical references and sources.



What? the title of the thread is sarcasm, did you even read the OP?


so, who exactly historically documented jesus? we already know one source was a fraud, and i doubt that the same sources that helped form the new testament arent the only ones, because they arent exactly what id call credible. ive never seen any real evidence that jesus ever even existed, and even if he did, i think the world would be a way different place if there was any kind of god, or any kind of person that ACTUALLY performed miracles like the ones described in the bible. I mean seriously, water into wine, a fish and two loaves to feed a town? if you ask me, its a bunch of moral guidlines put in place by somebody who obviously knew the gullability of humans.

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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Jesus was a real person, both in and outside scripture. The primary written historical documentation of Jesus still remains in the New Testament gospels of the Bible, but since people refuse to believe that as a historical document I won't get into that.

The argument for the existence of Jesus is strengthened because the person of Jesus Christ is mentioned by independent sources, both Christian, Jewish, and Roman sources have references to Jesus of Nazareth. He has been mentioned by 2nd century pagan Roman authors, 1st century Jewish historians and by the Jewish historian Josephus. Because of the fact that Josephus, a practicing Jew and a man who was not actively involved in Christian practices or part of the early church mentions the existence of Jesus of Nazareth in his writings gives credence to the argument for the existence of Jesus Christ. Also one of the most credible arguments for the existence of Jesus is the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus. Who mentions the existence of the crucifixion of Jesus in his writings. The writings of Tacitus are viewed by historians as crucial to not only understanding early Middle Eastern history but also what we know of early Germanic tribes in Europe. In essence, while the divinity of Jesus is not something that can be proven historically, most biblical historians can agree that a person named Jesus did live in the Middle East 2,000 years ago and can look to independent historical sources for evidence.

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Many persons named jesus 2,000 years ago, in that area, lots of them. Jesus was a common name, and still kind of is.

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There's a lot of similarities there MelT... Good amount of differences, too... But nonetheless, LOTS of similarities :D Once again, good post... :hello: :metal:

EDIT: Guys... Lets try to keep with the OP on this. If you want to debate the existence of Jesus, start another thread :D

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horus and Jesus are both god, as well as:

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Dagon
Damkina (Dumkina)
Davlin
Demeter
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Woot, i made the list!

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I'd be interested in finding the sources to all the points made in this Thread.
I dont quite buy it.

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^^ I've seen the whole zeitgeist movie and you can't argue that all of the opinions in that video are biased and encourage you to think in the direction they've placed in front of you through so called evidence in their side of their arguments. Overall I think it's a pretty good video, but If any common undistinguished documentary completely changes your own point of view concerning something you really should think about reevaluating your priorities. It's a well thought out and inspiring video, but the same can be said for most 2 hour documentaries. The OP argues that not all of the similarities described in the vid are correct and It shouldn't be surprising that there are similarities at all. All religions share certain points concerning things because all theistic beliefs share common ground.

Many persons named jesus 2,000 years ago, in that area, lots of them. Jesus was a common name, and still kind of is.


Well I wouldn't say common...and references mention not just any, but Jesus of Nazareth.

Also:

one of the most credible arguments for the existence of Jesus is the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus. Who mentions the existence of the crucifixion of Jesus in his writings






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Tacitus wrote in 116 AD... Explain to me how that is documented historical proof of the existence of Jesus, when Jesus was crucified some 83 years previously?

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I'd be interested in finding the sources to all the points made in this Thread.
I dont quite buy it.


http://www.touregypt.net/horus.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hours
http://www.kingtutshop.com/freeinfo/horus.htm

It can be found on any egyptology site, but to verify the below, just type in 'Death+horus' to google and this same information below will keep coming up. Horus death was by scorpion, his resurrection by his mother's magical incantations. No crucifixion, thieves, mother's name different. Very few of the supposed similarities between JC and Horus are even mentioned in the myths. The versionof Horus' story below is the oldest version of the Delta Cycle where the story of Horus death is told. Later dynastys changed aspects of the pantheon, but it's principally the same.

Delta Cycle

As mentioned before, there was a mythological period called the "First Time." This was an era where the gods were said to roam and rule the world. Nu, Atum, Ra, Shu and Tefnut, Geb and Nut, Osiris, and many other gods were among the population. Set, son of Geb and Nut, was also present. It is said that he was the spirit of evil. Even his birth was violent, as he tore himself from his mother’s womb. He gained power by murdering his brother Osiris and was a terrifying ruler for a period of time. Many of the other gods chose to seek safety in the bodies of various animals during this time.
This begins what is called the Delta Cycle myth. Set’s sister, Isis was enslaved by Set after her brother and husband, Osiris’s death (which is a topic itself and will be discussed shortly). Isis managed to escape and was forced to hide in the swamp of the Delta, for she was carrying a child, Horus, destined to grow up and defeat Set; thus avenging his father’s death. As an infant, Horus was watched over by various gods and marsh-nymphs in a place in the swamp called Chemmis. Among these was Nephthys, the sister and wife of Set-as she had left her husband due to his cruelty. Snakes were his biggest source of danger, as they were Set in disguise. At one point, Horus was bitten and poisoned. He was saved by the gods because the power of the "high god" could protect him from Set and his followers. It is interesting to note here that this power was said not to extend over natural hazards. Thus, if it had been simply a poisonous snake bite, Horus may have died, but because it was Set’s evil in disguise, the gods were able to cure Horus.
Once Horus was grown, he came out of the Delta to claim his right to his father’s "office." This myth, called the Great Quarrel by some, was not a serious one. The story is mostly dialogue. It was created for entertainment; therefor, it is shallow and without real meaning. Nevertheless, it is interesting, and worth mentioning here.
The counsel of the gods was considering giving the office to Set, because he was the larger and stronger of the two. After much discussion and consulting (supposedly, the discussion went on more that eighty years), it was decided to give the crown to Horus. Set became enraged and challenged Horus to a battle in the sea, both of them taking the form of hippopotamuses. Horus accepted. His mother, Isis tried to help him, but ended up not really doing so at all, but rather, made it worse. First, she harpooned him accidentally and released him. Then she harpooned Set, but released him as well because Set was able to persuade her to do so. This angered Horus so much that he came up from the water and cut off his mother’s head. He took the head to the mountains to hide from the punishment he had just earned. He hid under a tree in an oasis and the company of gods looking for him could not find him.
Set was able to find Horus, however. He tore out Horus’s eyes and planted them the ground, where they bloomed into lotus flowers. Set denied being able to find Horus to the counsel, but another god, Hanthor, found Horus again, restored his eyes, then brought him to the counsel. A truce was called and Set and Horus went off to rest together.
This point in the story is a good example of how this myth was not to be taken seriously. The material is vulgar in this portion. In not so many words, Set violated Horus that night. Horus ran to his mother (who obviously did not die from decapitation) with Set’s semen (seed) on his hand. Isis cut off Horus’s contaminated hand, threw the hand in the ditch, and put some of Horus’s semen on Set’s garden. Set became pregnant when he ate from the garden.
Obviously, it was not a moral crime to violate homosexually as it was to be violated homosexually, because Set and Horus went before the counsel and Set declared that Horus was unfit for the crown because he allowed Set to "treat" him homosexually. Horus claimed this was untrue and that the gods should call the "seed" of each to see who had "treated" whom. The gods did so. Set’s seed answered from the ditch, while Horus’s answered from Set. The gods declared Horus right. However, once again, Set challenged Horus to a contest. This time, it was a boat race in boats made of stone. Horus built his in the night, when no one could see. He made his of wood, but covered it with gypsum, making it look like stone. Set saw the boat, and made his of stone, thinking Horus’s was also. The next day, Set’s boat sank immediately, of course. He was enraged and tried to kill Horus, but the gods intervened.
After more discussion and consulting, Set finally agrees to let law rule over brute force and resigns. Horus was given the crown, and in compensation, Set was made god of storms. His main duty was to fend off the serpent dragon of darkness, Apopis, as he tried to overcome Osiris’s divine barge at sunrise and sunset.


The fourth and following texts contain a narrative of the troubles of Isis which were caused by the malice of Set, and of her wanderings from city to city in the Delta, in the neighborhood of the Papyrus Swamps. The principal incident is the death of her son Horus, which took place whilst she was absent in a neighboring city, and was caused by the bite of a scorpion; in spite of all the care which Isis took in hiding her son, a scorpion managed to make its way into the presence of the boy, and it stung him until he died. When Isis came back and found her child's dead body she was distraught and frantic with grief, and was inconsolable until Nephthys came and advised her to appeal to Thoth, the lord of words of power, She did so straightway, and Thoth stopped the Boat of Millions of Years in which Ra, the Sun-god, sailed, and came down to earth in answer to her cry; Thoth had already provided her with the words of power which enabled her to raise up Osiris from the dead, and he now bestowed upon her the means of restoring Horus to life, by supplying her with a series of incantations of irresistible might...."


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Tacitus wrote in 116 AD... Explain to me how that is documented historical proof of the existence of Jesus, when Jesus was crucified some 83 years previously?

It's a shame Cannabis never answered this question...

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horus and Jesus are both god, as well as:


Agdistis or Angdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Amaterasu
An
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu
Aphrodite
Apollo
Apsu
Ares
Artemis
Asclepius
Athena
Athirat
Athtart
Atlas
Baal
Ba Xian
Bacchus
Balder
Bast
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Bixia Yuanjin
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Camaxtli
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Charun
Cheng-huang
Cybele
Dagon
Damkina (Dumkina)
Davlin
Demeter
Diana
Di Cang
Dionysus
Ea
El
Enki
Enlil
Epona
Ereskigal
Farbauti
Fenrir
Forseti
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Hades
Hanuman
Helios
Heng-o (Chang-o)
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hestia
Hod
Hoderi
Hoori
Horus
Hotei
Huitzilopochtli
Hsi-Wang-Mu
Hygeia
Inanna
Inti
Ishtar
Isis
Ixtab
Izanaki
Izanami
Jesus
Juno
Jupiter
Juturna
Kagutsuchi
Kartikeya
Khepri
Ki
Kingu
Kinich Ahau
Kishar
Krishna
Kukulcan
Lakshmi
Liza
Loki
Lugh
Luna
Magna Mater
Maia
Marduk
Mars
Medb
Mercury
Mimi
Minerva
Mithras
Morrigan
Mot
Mummu
Nammu
Nanna
Nanna (Norse)
Nanse
Neith
Nemesis
Nephthys
Neptune
Nergal
Ninazu
Ninhurzag
Nintu
Ninurta
Njord
Nut
Odin
Ohkuninushi
Ohyamatsumi
Orgelmir
Osiris
Ostara
Pan
Parvati
Phaethon
Phoebe
Pilumnus
Poseidon
Quetzalcoatl
Rama
Re
Rhea
Sabazius
Sarasvati
Selene
Shiva
Seshat
Seti (Set)
Shamash
Shapsu
Shen Yi
Shiva
Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
Sin
Sirona
Sol
Surya
Susanoh
Tawaret
Tefnut
Tezcatlipoca
Thanatos
Thor
Tiamat
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tyche
Tyr
Utu
Uzume
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Xipe
Xi Wang-mu
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Yam
Yarikh
Ymir
Yu-huang
Yum Kimil
Zeus


but the point is, they still dont exist.


Really? Jesus didn't exist?

I could have sworn he did.




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