Incredible Ormus

Discussion in 'Advanced Growing Techniques' started by Uplifted, Apr 26, 2007.

  1. this is new to me. suprised there isnt more interest in it since it can mean huge things in the mj growing world. i mean this shit looks like a miracle worker, making an cut off tail grow back? making walnuts that much bigger? someone try this on some big bud strain and yield 5 lbs per plant indoors!
     
  2. Everyone needs to keep in mind that the cat was still young. The ormus helped, but age probably helped more for the tail to regrow. The ormus may have just boosted the energy needed to regenerate.

    It is important to note that ormus research is somewhat new to modern science. Many things that were/are a mystery have ties to ormus. The flower essences described in the Cannabible 3 probably involve ormus of some kind. Ormus is not just one element. It can come in a variety of elements, only some have been discovered.

    Here's a site with tons of info on ormus. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm

    Simply put, ormus is the basic product of alchemy.
     
  3. I was hesitatant to look at the thread, thinking it was another bogus advertiser....

    Man... this stuff is interesting!!! Have you used the C-11 Uplifted?

    Some info on wether this works on MJ would be good....
     
  4. I've used C-11 and C-gro. I still treated the ormus as a fertilizer, and flushed my herb before harvest. Yield was incredible. It would have been better had I been growing out in the open, and not in a forest. My lowest yielding plant gave me 1/4lb. My highest yielder gave me just over 2lbs. Pretty good for growing in a northern Illinois forest. I got a couple seeds from the batch, but they were stolen. The seeds were the largest Cannabis seeds I had ever seen, as big as a corn kernel!

    Sorry, no pics. This year I'll take some for sure.
     
  5. i dont know anything about outdoor, but if i was to apply this for indoor, would i still need to use other ferts? or does it provide everything the plant needs from seed to weed?
     
  6. Depending on what ormus you use. C-11 would probably need some of the basic nutrients, but I know that C-gro has over 80 different elements present, so extra fertilizer would probably not be needed.


    I've been wondering if m-state gold would affect plants in a similar manner as it does animals. I already posted a link showing gold atoms binding to a DNA molecule. This process is supposed to enhance the bodies natural superconductivity. Some research is showing that when the gold binds to DNA, the person may actually absorb some energy from light (like sunlight). If this is true, and if Cannabis can safely take in gold, could it enhance the photosynthesis exponentially? Atleast a lot. I know that almond trees are masters at absorbing m-state gold out of the soil.

    I'll be trying the m-state gold on plants next year. This year I'm just using C-gro.
     
  7. is C-11 the product you can purchase from the sea-crop site?
     
  8. This sounds like a lot of supersticious pseudoscience to me. Most of it sounds like just some fancy bullshit hype trying to attribute magical powers to nanoparticles. Yes, nanoparticles have powers, no they aren't magic. Also, there is no superconductivity in the human body. At all. Let alone at room temperature. Also, gold nanoparticles don't have magical powers although I admit they make a nice red-purple dye for staining glass. As for binding with DNA, you're mixing your pseudoscience bullshit with something completely unrelated. They're actually trying to use the DNA as a skeleton to arrange the nanoparticles into useful structures for doing various things, NOT trying to get magical powers. In fact, the DNA isn't all that special and it's not the DNA they're even interested in. Keep in mind also that gold and other heavy metals are POISONOUS. They're potentially more poisonous as nanoparticles (which can turn normally inert substances like gold into powerful catalysts that can cross cell membranes very easily to cause who knows what sort of damage) and even worse when smoked.

    On the other hand, C-Grow might have its merits. Dumping ocean-collected micronutrients that rivers dump in onto your plants could possibly make them healthier. Erosion of the most fertile soil does usually end up in the ocean anyway, but I'd look into the claims a lot more before buying a whole crapload of Miracle Powder with Extra Mystic Powers!™ and poisoning my mary-j with it.

    EDIT: ROFL now they're claiming that these random things exhibit superconductivity, superfluidity, magnetic levitation and I'm sure next they'll be an infinite power source. Ooh ooh and josephson tunneling too, which requires basically that the materials form nice little superconducting circuits with ultra-thin insulating barriers for electrons to tunnel through.. for no good reason. Yeah, C-Gro might help your plants, but I seriously suggest you do a proper experiment with two clones in identical hydro setups before buying massive amounts of this crap. The only positive thing I might say about this is that if the material was nanoparticles, they might be more bioavailable forms of those micronutrients.
     
  9. You can find C-11 for sale on numerous sites if you search. Sometimes it is sold as Sea 11. I know that C-gro has C-11 in it, but I don't know about sea-crop. Probably though. C-11 is basically just 11 essential elements for plants, which have been taken from the seawater (salt is out).
     
  10. Dude, I'm still skeptical about the gold, as well as lots of crazy ormus theories, but the ormus that I'm focusing on are the kinds known to be useful in plants. I used clones last year, and only used C-11 and C-gro on about half of them. Definite difference. I only included gold because I'm going to try it out next year on 2-5 plants. Like I already posted, almond trees safely absorb gold out of the soil, maybe cannabis will too.

    Now, the "magic" of ormus. Not magic. No debate there. There are basically two ormus "beliefs". One is in science, the other in a bunch of hippie lore. Even many of those who study it in terms of science claim that certain kinds of ormus help focus and meditation. I used white powder gold a few times, and it did make me feel good, clear, and uplifted. I know it could have been a placebo effect, but it was pretty crazy. Still could have been a placebo though, but wow. You can contact Barry Carter on one of the links I posted. He'll be able to answer just about any scientific questions you may have about ormus. Ask him how gold can be safe to ingest, I'm sick of typing right now...
    Maybe I'll start a new thread all about the other ormus one day...

    Let's all get back to helping to overgrow the world now. If anyone happens to find any other research on plant growth with ormus, or any other orme products with potential, post it. Imagine how much this could effect the world if everyone started to use ormus fertilizers on their crop.:smoking:
     
  11. C-11 is crap. I do think Sea-Crop is worthwhile, however. The claims made by Sea-Crop seem entirely scientific and far more substantial. And stop saying ormus/orme. Those things don't exist.

    Sea-crop, on the other hand, only claims to increase symbiotic soil biota activity, and substantially. What you all may not know is that almost all plants rely on symbiotic fungi that grow around their roots for the majority of their nutrient uptake. In almost all indoor soil and hydro systems, the sterile medium used is entirely devoid of these fungi, and so the plants are unable to form the symbiosis and will not be as healthy as they could be.
     
  12. Have you ever had experience with C-11? Ever had experience with any ormus? Any links backing up your claim that ormus does not exist?

    I've had experience with C-11 and it does work. Other ormus, I am skeptical, but I won't rule out on it working.

    As for Sea-crop boosting the Mycorrhizae populations, for sure. Just about any fertilizer will do this too. I'm betting that C-11 and C-Gro do it as well.
     
  13. Simple. "ORME" = "orbitally rearranged monoatomic element"
    ie a bunch of magical particles that escape mainstream science and yet are acclaimed to have properties such as:
    -room temperature superconductivity
    -magnetic levitation
    -magical powers that connect living things with a magical thought-power (ie the force)
    -superfluidity (which if that were the case then the little particles would crawl out of your jar and you'd lose them all anyway)
    -Are dark matter
    -And somehow despite eluding science completely, can be separated from dead sea salt using only a pH kit and distilled water.

    C-11 is supposedly a powder of these ORMUS particles and so is complete and utter bullshit. My guess is that it's 99% epsom salt and about 1% poisonous heavy metals. Given the methods for extracting it, you MIGHT produce heavy metals as nanoparticles, however there's no anti-clumping agent so instead of potentially toxic nanoparticulate forms of heavy metals, what you get is large clumps of heavy metal nanoparticles which are definitely toxic, and in concentrated form no less.

    Sea-Crop, on the other hand, is a concentrated solution of non-sodium salts and a lot of biological matter extracted from sea water. It is not claimed that it contains magical particles, just that it contains micronutrients and will increase the activity of soil biota. "Oh but fertilizer does the same thing". Oh?

    Total Bacterial Biomass(ug/g) \tTotal Fungal Biomass(ug/g)
    Baseline \t 872 \t : 547
    Fertilizer only \t 1,183 : 692
    Fertilizer plus SEA-CROP 1,282 : 1,075

    Fertilizer increase bacterial activity more than Sea-Crop, but Sea-Crop still increases it slightly above fertilizer alone. Mycorrhizal fungal activity, on the other hand, is nearly doubled (+97%) by Sea-Crop, but only increased about 27% by fertilizer alone. Considering the profound positive actions of mycorrhizal fungi on plant health, this provides a clear reason for Sea-Crop's action. Of course, if you're using sterile soil/medium, then there should be no gains either way, since there's no life to support in the soil spare some pathogens introduced by human contact. In fact, introducing symbiotic/beneficial microorganisms to the growth medium is an area which could allow for major improvements in plant health over conventional indoor growth systems, and one for which I think I'll write a quick guide.

    Oh, and I don't need LINKS (aka unverified useless claims) to back up my statements. If you care enough you can go look at wikipedia and search ORMUS, ORME, C-11 etc etc. You won't find shit. However, look up colloidal gold or gold nanoparticles and you'll find everything you need to know in a hurry. There is not one scientifically sound or provable claim made about C-11 or any sort of ORMUS, besides the definition of 'ORMUS' which could only be interpereted as a nonexistent state of matter OR as a sort of particle which would best be described as a reactive species. This is worse than those people telling you to put negative ion generators in your grow room. And there's another thing, there's NO supported claims of negative ions improving human or plant life in any way. 'Negative ions' means it spews out ozone and nitrous oxides, which are all poisonous, potentially carcinogenic, major componants of smog, and are major componants of pollution in general. You'll have to do a LOT more honest research before you can even begin to make a case against me, and in general you won't find anything that I'm not already saying, so give it up.
     
  14. You still didn't answer any of my questions. I have used C-11 with incredible success. You haven't made any claims of testing any kind of ormus yourself, and instead rely on sources such as wikipedia (which is wrong on numerous subjects). There will actually be a section on ormus added to wikipedia soon. As for information denying the existence of ORMEs, you couldn't find any links, so you say links are "unverified claims", when there very well may be sites that would prove ormus doesn't exist, or that it does. Since you couldn't come up with one disproving it, I'll assume that there are none online. If ormus doesn't exist, what state are the iridium and rhodium in our brains?

    You also keep assuming that I believe all of the extra "hippie lore" that so often associates itself with ormus. I do not think of ormus as "dark matter", "magic", or any other weird shit.

    I do believe that ormus exists, but not all the claims. Like I've said numerous times before, C-11 does work, I've tried it, end of story.

    Again, this thread was started to help others learn of "fertilizers" that can help increase yield dramatically, and maybe eventually overgrow the world. So before being a dick, I suggest trying out something, like C-11, before knocking it. If anyone happens to find any other research on plant growth with ormus, or any other orme products with potential, post it.
     
  15. when u used this?? did u feed it to your plants on a regular basis like a regular fertilizer or just once? on the sea crop site it says that all you need is one feeding per season.
     
  16. Man... Getting hot in here! ;)


    Cannabis is a very simple organism that requires very simple requirements to grow to it's maximum potential... Complicating it that much is a little ridiculous.

    I'm sure there is an advanced fertilizer out there but damn... I'm sticking to the tried and true until they figure it out. :D

    I got enough complicated shit on my mind LOL
     

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