Edward snowden

Discussion in 'Pandora's Box' started by boydamien, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. You maybe see it a lot from UK citizens cz they are pretty much content with the country and its security services.

    I don't mean to offend americans as i have previously stated i like the average yank there pretty cool. However you guys are pretty paranoid and have this thing about your rights.

    I live in a great country i have freedom to go where i like say within reason what i want. They will find employment and if they cant they will pick up my bills until i do. If im sick they will fix me.

    I honestly don't feel im oppresed or snooped on,and if catching people who mean us harm by hacking there mobile or facebook acvount then again i have no problem with that at all.
    Its not like they are going to make public all your business.even if you are a kinky fucker and have private stuff im pretty sure as long as its within the law it will remain private.

    I dunno its just my own personal take on it. I admit its not going to be everyone's thinking.

    Put it another way. I don't fear the police or security services in the uk but i do fear the terrorist cells i know are living amongst us in the uk. So if they need to hack every mobile phone on this island to find them then i would say its very "unbritish " to stand in that way of that :)
     
  2. This is a tough mentality to fight. Many people don't understand that our nation/ criminal justice was literally founded upon the idea that personal freedom and privacy trump personal safety. If we got rid of the fourth amendment we would probably safer but we would also lose a lot of the fundamental rights to privacy and right to not be subjugated to unnecessary search and seizure. The fourth amendment specifically is there to balance the individual rights of people and the police/gov. It's the main mechanism to prevent the gov from coming in and kidnapping people in the middle of the night. Unfortunately it seems many Americans/judges have this notion that this privacy shouldn't be expected when it comes to private communications over public airwaves like Internet and phone.

    I think a lot of issues we have with fourth amendment violations would be solved if drugs were legal. The biggest reason police often search individuals especially after car stops is because they believe the person might have drugs. Also people who believe the NSA spying on them keeps them safer haven't looked at any of the data or senate reports which outline how the NSA has consistently failed to stop terrorist attacks and glorifies the surveillance tools they use to sound more necessary than they actually are. Until people realize that the spying provides a false sense of security and pressure the gov to change nothing will be done to curb gov surveillance. Even to this day people still say the NSA doesn't collect Internet and phone content which is blatantly false if you actually read any of the documents released. The proof is out there that the NSA is collecting massive amounts of Internet data, yet somehow they can go to congress and talk shows and claim that they are only collecting metadata without anyone challenging them. Just shows you how little Americans pay attention and how spineless our media/congress is.
     
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  3. Hey guy, not all of us are yanks. Those are just the northerners.

    In all seriousness, Snowden is a hero in regards to his NSA and government leaks. He still has his own biases but that is normal for humans. What matters is he thought of the American citizens as a whole and thought they deserved this information; which we do.

     
  4. #24 bwood, Oct 8, 2015
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    I dont think he will ever return to the states.

     
  5. Dont see us as brainwashed or beaten down.
    In fact i wouldn't live anywhere else!
     
  6. #26 Lenny., Oct 8, 2015
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    that's a great point on the mass collection of data being ineffective. when you collect the metadata of millions of people, you couldn't possibly skim it for any potential terrorist activity.


    also, it should be noted that the US government was given one of the Boston bomber's name and M.O. on a silver platter, over a year before the bombings, and failed to interdict him when he was going overseas several times for terrorist training, even though they had the means and opportunity. The other one was accessing al-qaeda websites. Should there not have been a red flag there? If the government can't handle this information, then what does that say about this metadata collection, other than it's a clear violation of amendment iv.


    We've been cowed into thinking we can prevent terrorist attacks by being scared little lackeys. If you remember what life was like before 9/11, i sure do, none of this shit would fly.
     
  7. Fear is a hell of a drug. It doesn't help that yearly, in cultist fashion, we replay, IN REAL TIME, the news coverage from that day. If that doesn't scream Orwellian, then shoot me in the face.

    I know this quote is becoming a bit cliche, but it's so true, it's creepy.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

     
  8. If you have two hours to kill this documentary about the NSA from PBS frontline is pretty fascinating and eye opening. They provide a lot of context for the programs and show how there are massive flaws in the logic used to validate them. Definitely one of the best videos I've seen on the issue, very extensive and entertaining. I think all Americans should have to watch this documentary. It would definitely wake a lot of people up to what's really going on. The sad thing is most people would probably flip to keeping up with Kardashians after five minutes or some other bullshit reality show. The level of stupidity in this country makes me want to move somewhere else, but honestly I'm too Americanized to ever do well in another country. Maybe if shit really starts to hit the fan here I'll consider moving elsewhere.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/
     
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  9. Its sad how many people slurp up the kardashian and other hollywood garbage but its scary how hard all that stuff is being pushed on everyone as well. Like hollywood and the MSM have direct orders to just fuck our shit up and make us all retards.


    You've probably seen the news clips of them going HOLD THE FUCK UP and interrupting the show because Justin Beiber or whatever other celeb their shilling at the moment stepped on a crack on a sidewalk somewhere. The amount of horseshit Americans have to actively reject on a daily basis is maddening.

     
  10. #30 Lenny., Oct 9, 2015
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    it's actually pretty easy. i take no special efforts to avoid all that stupid stuff




    thanks for the suggestion




     
  11. Bumping this old thread as the title fits even though i've started a couple of general topics about how the corp. deep state controlled govt. (both sides) suppresses the "really important news" like WTF they are doing to we the ppl...

    A bit about the video from YT...

    "Edward Snowden. The whistle blower talked about IT security issues such as hacker attacks on cash flows, outsourced data or the use of supposedly secure personal assistants such as Alexa and Co. for half an hour, hooking up via video conferencing, and he hit the right nerve for IT professionals. "Convenience is a risk," Snowden said. "What is supposed to make everyday life easier for the user is a danger to privacy." JBFOne, this year for the fifteenth time, has established itself as a firm starting point for the specialist audience around financial IT and is growing steadily."
     
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  12. I am not a fan of people who claim they have valuable information or secrets, and tell everyone they will 'reveal soon' or use it in order to gain fame or wealth. It's not even wise putting yourself out to the public because that's like putting a target on your head.
    It's better to just release the info anonymously like the creator of Bitcoin


    Spill the beans already, the public can do with it what they will. All of the secrets, lies and deception going on behind the scenes in this world need to end. It's a big part of why this world is so messed up
     
  13. Asking people to give up secrets, lies and deceit is like telling the Earth to stop spinning. Nice thought, but not how reality is set up.

    I give him credit because he gave up a good life and comfortable job to make a moral point. It's not like he's benefited much from this, on balance. He can never go home without being imprisoned forever, so he clearly didn't do it for entirely selfish reasons.
     

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