I made this comment yesterday and wanted to start a topic discussion on it. Many people who I like to call "regressives" have become popular in the media for spinning people such as myself and intellectuals such as Sam Harris as racists. I want to try to inform people about what's going on in our world right now, because i'm legitimately interested in educating and informing people. If you don't agree with anything I say (even though it's factually correct), i'll be glad to address any qualms you may have. I'm not an authority on this issue, but I am informed and I hope that counts for something. Whilst I completely agree that A LOT of Muslims are absolutely fine people, the ideology is extremely dangerous. Comparing Islam to the IRA, drug cartels, etc. people not only equate Islam to different ethnicities, races and ideologies (Islam is a doctrine of ideals, not a race) but it's also a huge bit of intellectual dishonesty. Over 90% of all terrorism deaths are caused by Islamic fundamentalists. Go to Wikipedia and look for terror related deaths, it's right there black and white clear as crystal. The ideology taught in the Koran and Hadiths that are actually worth a damn is also terrifying. We're talking about people who legitimately read and believe their Korans. Shariah law is in the Koran and it's absolutely barbaric. The Koran teaches that women MUST be completely submissive to their husbands, and that you should only obey your Islamic superior. People like to say that Islam says that you must obey the law of the land. It DOES NOT say this. It states that you must obey your superior within the doctrine of Islam i.e a mullah. That's only half of the stupid shit in the Koran. Ever tried mixing salt and fresh water? Apparently Mohammad never did, because he doesn't think it's possible! Not to mention, Mohammad was historically a warlord. Apologists like to claim that there is a debate as to what age Aisha was when Mohammad married and consummated their marriage. Off the top of my head (read this about a month ago), they were married when she was 9 and consummated when she was either 11 or 12 (again, different accounts in different hadiths, fucking bullshit). Muslims WORSHIP this guy, and he was just as barbaric, if not worse than most dictators in existence. We're talking genocides, random killings and complete annexation of already established states to create an Islamic caliphate. This is NOT a guy you should be taking notes from, yet he was the main contributor to the Koran. Absolutely shocking. Now, all that is awful, heck even as awful as the Old Testament (even though the Old Testament is almost complete myth whereas the Koran documents Mohammad's exploits as a warlord including flying horses and other stupid shit), but it's not a global problem since only a handful of fundamentalists actually believe the horrible drivel written in the Koran, EVEN THOUGH Muslims claim the Koran is the absolute word of god, yet some of them don't practice most barbarities in it (makes no fucking sense to me either). The MASSIVE problem that a lot of people such as Sam Harris and myself have is that Muslims DO believe in these atrocities globally. If you do your research, you'll find a Gallup poll which polled prominent Muslim nations such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar. I hate to say it, but the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, we're talking almost 80% in some parts believe COMPLETELY in the Koran, EVERY word said in it and overwhelmingly support the addition of Shariah Law. If I was getting these stats off of some right-wing tabloid I wouldn't even bother trying to convince you right now, but this is a fucking Gallup poll. An OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Muslims in these nations believe that Shariah Law does not stifle the rights of women. You don't have to be a genius to realise that this is a scary statistic. Now, to top it all off, to top the mother fucking shit cake that is Islamic fundamentalism, the West is taking in refugees from the same states Gallup polled and the same states with these outrageous statistical facts. Absolutely ridiculous. For a minute can we please talk about the problem and not try to equate it to the Crusades or the IRA? There were 7 crusades by Christians (still an appalling number). There have been HUNDREDS of Jihads against the west in the past 1300 years. HUNDREDS. Spain was completely engulfed by Muslims at one point completely by the sword. So please, I beg you, look at the facts and come to a conclusion about the actions of Islamic followers instead of trying to equate it with other random pockets of terror in recent memory. It's embarrassing and anyone with half a brain can see that you're trying to spin the facts to fit an agenda. I hate to say it man, but as someone who's done the research, read cited and referenced papers, peer-reviewed journals and articles as well as polls, it's impossible to ignore the barbarity and danger that Islam poses. I don't hate Muslims, I hate the ideology.
This is the exact same doctrine found in the new testament. 1 Timothy 2 11A womana should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But womenc will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. The question is not whether or not they believe in the Koran, it is what the believe in the Koran. Did you include the 30 years war? 8 million casualties is a lot of casualties. I have read this several times over and it still makes very little sense to me. Islam is is also a full religion not a single doctrine, A doctrine is a belief or one set of beliefs within a religion. The IRA was a large terrorist group, and drug cartels are criminal cartels. Islam shares the same dangers as Christianity.
Cosndier buying the Islam for dummies. It may help. The Koran has parallels to most OT events. Genocide, child rape, and mass murder were all the rage in the 4th century. The US government did the same thing to the indians in the 18-20th century, when it was not the rage.
it's the concept of jihad being a holy war that i abhore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhÉ‘Ëd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihÄd [dÊ’iˈhæËd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihÄd is a noun meaning "to strive, to apply oneself, to struggle, to persevere."[1] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen (مجاهدين). The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran,[2]often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)", to refer to the act of striving to serve the purposes of God on this earth.[1][3][4][5] terrorism serves no purpose or God on this earth
Cool. We should totaly take those fuckers out. People in the 700's CE did not have machine guns, so it should be pretty straightforward. Does not equate well with the 30 years war or colonization of Queen Victoria. That is only the last 500 years of Christiandom. Yes, because people traditionally help starving refugees. I do not live in Suadia Ariabia or Qatar. Believing in an atrocity does not mean supporting the event reoccurring.
Saying this does not make you edgy. It is just stupid. An ideology is a set of beliefs, ideas or ideals supporting a political theory. An ideology would be Arab Pan-Nationalism. A religion is a set of doctrines, creeds, and beliefs about a deity. Islam is a religion.
1. There's no point trying to equate Islam to anything, because this is a discussion about Islam. 2. ^ 3. Wrong. If it's in the Koran, there's going to be someone who believes it. Refer to Gallop poll. 4. False equivalence. 5. Sorry, got the wording mixed up. The doctrines of Islam within the religion aim to control ever facet of someone's life. 6. I used those examples because people like to equate Islamic terror to other terrorist organisations. You did it yourself, which is why I used the example. 7. EXTREMELY wrong. Christianity IS NOT DANGEROUS. Are there extremist Christians? Of course, but they're an extreme minority. People who believe in the dangerous parts of Islam are in a majority in multiple countries.
1. Once again, false equivalence. This is NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT QUEEN VICTORIA. 2. Incorrect. 3. I don't disagree, but we're taking people who have been polled to have extreme views. 4. Ok? Islam is an ideology. It seeks to control every facet of someone's life. For example, Nazism has the Reichschurch. Read this: http://newenglishreview.org/Rebecca_Bynum/Why_Isla... Once again, you're using a false equivalence. This is not a discussion of ANY OF THESE THINGS. We're talking about MODERN DAY.
The difference between the Koran and The Old Testament is that NOBODY FOLLOWS THE OLD TESTAMENT ANYMORE. Please show me the fundamentalist Old Testament Christians who make up 70% of a country. Even then, The Old Testament IS NOT the one true word of god, whereas the Koran is the one true word of god. It was overseen by Mohammad, making everything in it to a Muslim literally true (at least if they choose to not be ignorant to Koranic verses which teach the bad shit).
About 20% of Americans still follow the old testament. http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changi... Also, almost all conservative and fundamentalists american Christians think the Old testament is the one true word of god. That is one of the original 20th century religious fundamentals of Christianity in the US. I dont think you understand fundamentalist Christianity...
Even so, why does this even matter? This has literally nothing to do with Islam. Google: False equivalence.
Why is it not a discussion about Queen Victoria? She said that the bible was the basis of the British Empire, so... I do not understand what you said incorrect to, but if you do not understand what the 30 years war is, google Oliver Cromwell or the 60 years war. Most of that is post 1500. You were going into things from the 3rd century.
Mate, if you're just going to go off on tangents and false equivalences I really don't want to deal with you. Can you please talk about the topic? The fact that you won't proves more than I could ever say.
Yes it does, because those people vote and have a surprising amount of power in the US because of voter turnout. It is one of the ways we end up in every middle eastern country except Iran, and start fucked up wars sending refugees to Europe. Your idea of a false equivalence is negated due to factual relevance. Here is your original statement, where YOU said it was relevant. "Please show me the fundamentalist Old Testament Christians who make up 70% of a country."
Ok, you've yet to show me 70% of OT Christians who make up 70% of a country. It still doesn't even matter, I was humoring you. IT IS NOT RELEVANT.
Just gonna point out Adolph Hitler could be called a Christian extremist... And that kinda makes Neo-nazi's Christian extremists... and as a single group the Aryan Brotherhood kills more prisoners in federal lock-up than any other in most years...
For fucks sake, you said you wanted to go back to the 3rd century. What the British did in the middle east is more relevant to us than what happened in the 3rd century. It is why the maps are drawn the way that they are, why there is an absoulte monarchy in Saudi Arabia, and why the state of Isreal exists.