Russia taking a leadership role in the middle east

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Green Wizard, Sep 19, 2015.

  1. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/world/europe/us-...




    So Russia is building an airbase in northern Syria to support Assad's government, defeat ISIS, and stabilize the refugee crisis in Europe. In the the last ten days they've flown 20 cargo transport planes, built a 1,500 person temporary barracks, moved in fighter jets, tanks, missile defense systems, 200 marines, and other support equipment with more on the way. Its clearly obvious that Russia has seen enough of America's handling of the Middle East Crisis post Iraq war. We warned the Russians about getting involved in Syria, but then our military leadership was blindsided when Russia decided to move in. Russia didn't ask for permission. They have decided to take the situation over and deal with it on their terms so that the outcome will benefit them (Think oil and warm water ports). We have completely lost control and credibility in the Middle East, and if Russia is successful in it's operations, it could counter balance it's weight not only in the region, but globally as well. Everyone ready for Cold War II?

     
  2. #2 roorforcrumble, Sep 19, 2015
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    Oh god Russia is going to commit atrocities, I can see it now. Just to support their agenda.There are so many groups fighting, and Turkey is bombing the Kurds. Who are your allies and who is the enemy, the Assad regime is horrible and they are constantly getting their ass whooped on by ISIS.


    And the arabs defeated the Russians once, they will do it again. History repeats itself, Russia just got itself in a huge blunder. What Russia doesn't understand is once you pull out your security forces after you gain control after a decade or two of fighting, there is no stabilizing force to unify and educate these people in how just government works. These lands are so tribal that it is hard to establish law and get them to compromise politically with others of the region. How do you think Iraq got in this mess? They sat around arguing in their parliament and not taking actions to counterattack, and did not place 100k troops on the Syrian border, along with artillery, mortars, tanks, and a plan to draw them in to destroy them.
     
  3. I was hoping that China would replace us in the Middle East, but Russia is a good second choice.


    I grew up during the Cold War, things were relatively peaceful, hardly a drop of blood was spilled between the U.S.S.R. and the United States, and a Cold War II might be just what the good doctor ordered. Put a guy like Trump in the White House, ramp up the competitiveness factor here, and maybe we'll have some prosperity and peace for a change.


    It's good news, for a change.


     
  4. I have no problems with Russia being in Syria if that's what Assad wants. I just hope that the Russians don't start fighting the Kurds. I will be heavily against that.
     
  5. #5 Elem3nt17, Sep 19, 2015
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    Or as good as we are going to get anyways. The amount of ball dropping the US has done is unreal with this whole situation, but that's not surprising they do it with everything they touch.

    Where is the US gumption for fucking steam rolling an enemy this time around? It's like the Iraq and Afghanistan wars took the piss right out of their military. Sadam wasnt a threat to western sovereignty he was a puppet dictator propped up by the west and they fucking destroyed iraq anyways. Isis is an actual threat that the US has no control over and the US government/military is in the corner with it's tail tucked and your president seem intent on dismantling whats left of it, despite being in a time of high international security threats. It's mind boggling.


    You helped create the problem America, you dont get to just walk away.


     
  6. It's pretty smart of Russia to present themselves as the "saviors" of the middle east. Whoever controls middle eastern oil controls a large faction of geopolitics including oil exporting economies. It is funny, we go in and spend a ton of money and Russia builds the alliances we were seeking the whole time lol.
     
  7. If it wasn't for Russia Syria would be another Libya and the migrant crisis would of been twice has bad. Not to mention Syria was a Russian Ally. Smart move on behalf of the Ruskies but they should of done it 4 years ago.
     
  8. Sadam wasn't no puppet. He just made the mistake of underestimating US interest. Hell he over stepped his boundaries numerous times and we let him slide. Puppets do exactly what we tell them too. You can say the new Prime Minister of Ukraine is a puppet.


    Sadam kept all the islamists out of Iraq and had the same enemies has us, but ofcourse our foreign policy is terrible and we have what we have today because of it lol.
     
  9. #9 Elem3nt17, Sep 19, 2015
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    He was a puppet. His ego got the best of him and he stopped taking orders.


    "US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the
    first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA
    payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination
    attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the
    US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms,
    money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon
    precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces
    and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks."
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-his...


    Iraq was about destabilizing the country for oil interests and overthrowing a dictator who went rogue and who the bush administration had a grudge for, Afghanistan was about the global heroin trade. They both gave us a clear enemy to justify it all and continued to fund the global arms trade and the military industrial complex for another decade.


    http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/afghan-heroin-t...
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insig...




     
  10. There is no solution and until people realize that we are fucked. In order to take out ISIS with ground troops many people estimate it would cost tens of thousands of American lives in addition to hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi/Syrian lives on top of the massive monetary cost. Inevitably in 10-15 years there will be some other group to replace ISIS fueled by the destruction inflicted upon these ME countries to destroy ISIS. Especially considering that many local areas support ISIS because they provide them protection and are well integrated into these societies. There is no easy answer for the problem of ISIS which is why we should just stay out of it and save ourselves a couple trillion dollars and thousands of lives.
     
  11. If anything they'll become best buds. Kurds have been pro-US and pro-Israel for a very long time meanwhile getting fucked left and right with no reaction from the west. But they're still pro-west cause they don't rlly have any other friends. until now. not to mention the commie kurds in Turkey. We'll be seeing colorful Ushankas in Erbil soon :p


    China isn't rlly in the business of setting up camp where others like to wipe their feet. But take a look at Africa and you'll see a lot of Chinese money. The west completely fucked up by ignoring Africa when many countries there r enjoying very stable economies compared to the volatile markets of the west and east. They grow about 5% a yr whether the rest of the world is crying or partying




    Don't worry about oil. Syria has very little of it, especially compared to their neighbors. And the gulf states despise Russia. So the U.S. will keep all their buddies. and Russia is probably more interested the in the Syrian coast than their natural resources. Oh and of course expanding their influence in another direction while the eastern Europe is increasingly siding with NATO

     
  12. I just feel like it is another foot in the door for Russia in that region and it is awful close to U.S. operations in neighboring areas.


     
  13. Probably is. You feel like it's close to U.S. operations but Russia feels it's close to their country. They've been complaining about the U.S. playing in their backyard since like the 90's. And the U.S. responds by opening more bases and placing more missiles around Europe and Asia


    I'm very distrustful of the U.S. gov but I simply don't like the Russian gov. They're oppressive, homophobic, xenophobic nationalistic. Worst of all; they're extremely paranoid. So I'm all for the U.S. asserting power in Europe. But give the middle east to Russia. Except for Saudi Arabia, they need sanctions placed on them



    Cold War 2 will not begin. It has already begun. At least in Europe. Putin is bringing Soviet back
     
  14. I agree, it just makes me nervous seeing Russia re-establishing faith with their middle eastern allies. Lines in the sand are about to be drawn, and with the political candidates in the next US election there is a good chance that line will be crossed. Inevitably causing our troops and resources to continue diminishing in a region that really doesn't hold much value outside of oil.
     
  15. Haha, so Washington is finally facing someone their own size, instead of picking on pipsqueak countries that can't really defend themselves. Maybe they'll finally be forced off their high horse.


    "May you live in interesting times."


    Indeed.

     
  16. Inb4 islamist terrorist attacks on moscow

    -Yuri
     
  17. LOL, you got it.
     
  18. It isn't about the oil in Syria, but more so about the pipeline they want to put through the country, and it doesn't hurt to take out a Russian ally(while pushing on their borders hence Ukraine).


    The Kurds got it bad, they really have no friends. We are somewhat helping them but we don't want a kurdish state, and Erogdan(SP?) is using that bombing that happened in Turkey to bomb the Kurds fighting in Syria. Total shit show.


    Not coming at you or anything, you just reminded me that Russia has had it's issues with islamist long before we had ours. They have been fucking with the Chechens for decades now. Hell a couple Chechens still go missing every now and again. And speaking of the Chechens, they are also fighting in Syria along with ISIS.
     
  19. @Fizzly it seems to be the opposite. We sparked Russia's insecurities of a good relationship between us and them and it's been showing for about 5 years now. Every now and again they'll send old school Russian bombers on to our coasts in Alaska or Cali.


    And to whoever mentioned China's investments in Africa. It's up to the Africans to make sure they benefit to because as of now the Chinese are investing in the resources more than anything. India is playing a role too. Africa is going to be the new population growth area, once they start universally stabilizing the continent they'll be the home of some of the new growing economies.


    This is a very very, interesting time to be alive indeed, though I still wanna experience the 70s.
     
  20. Since the Soviet Union broke up, the US has been the big kahuna in the world (I don't even know what a kahuna is, but it sounded good).

    Everybody (except those in the US who think somehow their country is exceptional) can see the decline of Washington's economic, political, and military power in the world.


    Russia has had enough, apparently, of Washington's global bullying so they are stepping up to the plate. Nothing is forever, nobody stays on top forever.


    I like when Russia sends their bombers this way and how China is moving into the South China Sea, and Americans get their underwear all bunched up over it, but it is just fine that Washington has some 130 military bases scattered all over the globe, bombing, killing, meddling in other's business all they want.


    "America has the right to do this because we are moral and the US Empire is exceptional!"




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