What should we do about illegal immigration?

I feel like this is a topic that is in the news a lot lately but I haven't seen too much around here. What you blades think about the immigration process, deportation of illegal immigrants, anchor babies, H1B working visas, and all the other immigration policies/ideas? Are people born in this country citizens? Should we end work visas for foreign workers? What should our policies be in regards to deporting illegal immigrants?

 

So we should add an amendment to change the 14th amendment then? I think it's impossible to deport anchor babies without changing the 14th amendment because that's how the Supreme Court has always interpreted it. How do you come across them exactly, like when they are arrested? Just playing devils advocate here, but what happens to industries like food picking where there is already a shortage in labor supply when you deport what is a considerable chunk of their work force. It's a sad truth that American companies can't find enough workers in some cases because people don't want these jobs. We can pretend like if we get rid of illegals, Americans will step in and decrease unemployment but this has been proven to not be the case in many industries like meat packing and other shit where Americans aren't eager to work these jobs since they are quite frankly kind of shitty tough jobs.

Also how do you address the fact that a majority of people who are deported inevitably end up back in America. I mean we can increase border control majorly but there will always be ways around. You build a ten foot wall they'll buy an 11 foot ladder, that's the sad truth of the issue. I think we'd spend our money more effectively by increasing things like drone based surveillance along the border and increased border patrol agents than deporting people who may be beneficial members of society. People have this notion that illegal immigrants can only be a drain on the state but this is not necessarily true. Many studies have found that illegals paid a lot in sales tax, property taxes paid through rent, and even a large amount of people who paid income taxes under fake names. The study found that of the group they sampled, I forget how large but it was fairly significant, they were paying almost three times more in taxes than benefits they were receiving especially because people who paid income taxes under fake identities don't have any chance of reclaiming ss, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamp, or a litany of other federal benefits. I have no issue with them being able to claim benefits but I think this notion many have that illegals are solely a massive drain on our system and don't contribute to our economy is a false narrative. If an illegal immigrant makes money the spend it at American businesses just like any other consumer.

I think we need to seriously reduce H1B visas for companies like Microsoft, Apple, and Disney where they are bringing in people to do jobs that Americans want to do and are going to school for like tech jobs at lowered rates. H1V visas need to be limited to jobs that don't require degrees or specialization since those are the sectors that have a shortage in labor supply. There is no shortage in labor supply for the positions that companies like the ones I listed are bringing people from overseas to do and it's an insult to Americans who made these companies what they are today. If any president is serious about American jobs then they will take on the Facebook and Apples to stop them from importing hundreds of thousands of people to take jobs that could most definitely be filled by Americans. It's not like the government doesn't have leverage, they literally have all control over immigration policy and visas.

 

If you think race relations are worse than they were in 30 years it's not suprising you don't live in America. What we have is a media who loves sensationalism since we live in the era of buzzfeed clickbait I don't have more than three seconds of attention span. So yes there are major racial issues but they are being blown a little out of proportion and there are many issues that were just blatantly ignored like criminal justice reform. I think it's easy to get caught up in this notion that race relations are at an all time low but I think the simple fact is that these kind of shootings don't get the national spotlight only a couple years ago and are bending people's frame of reference. Shootings like these have been going on for a long time and the fact that we actually recognize when an officer is crossing the line now is just a sign of a society progressing. The problem is we have the idiots who take it too far and deny evidence like in the Mike Brown case and end up hurting the movement to stop sketchy assholes like the cop who shot Tamir Rice.

ISIS is definitely a large part to blame on Obama but I would say the blame falls more in our foreign policy debacles from the Bush administration and obviously with the people I the region itself. The Bush administrations decision to go to war in the Iraq is very clearly a destabilizing force in the region. On top of that many believe the decision to essentially exile the Ba'athist party leaders in the new Iraqi government led to a lot of the turmoil that gave root to ISIS's spread in Iraq. After Obama pulled troops there was evidence of massive Ba'athist persecution/discrimination by the government and Obama did nothing which is in part his fault, but really I think stems more from Bush's decision to support the debaathificafion of the government to begin with, because inevitably America was going to have to get out of the region. If we were serious about supporting democracy then Bush should have said that members of either party should be involved in the political process and Obama should have stood up more for that as well.

On top of that you have Obama deciding not take action in Syria and lead bombings against Assad which allowed Assad to continue his destruction which many experts believe fostered ISIS in an extreme way. When ISIS began to have victories against pro Assad forces where previous rebellions had failed the people began to support ISIS even if they weren't extreme because there was such strong anger with the Assad regime for their war crimes giving them new recruits. On top of that many believe they used the persecution of certain political parties in Iraq like the Ba'athists to recruit members in Iraq to fight against the Maliki regime who was committing massive civil rights violations. This lead to ISIS taking over large towns cities and even lots of military equipment as pro Maliki forces fled. So I definitely think there was more Obama could have done to contain the problem like air strikes in Syria but I think the roots of this issue were far beyond our control and some kind of extreme group was inevitably going to take hold once a power vacuum opened up in Iraq like the one that did. I think the belief that we could have 100 percent stopped this is based on hindsight and a false idea of how the ME operates historically. I think ISIS is a much harder thing to destroy than anyone is willing to admit. You can't kill a group like ISIS solely with rockets because there will be another group in 10-15 years whose family members were killed when we fought against Isis that starts an extremist group. These kind of problems are very cyclical and nuanced so they take a lot more than we're going to bomb them till they stop.