Nah that money comes from no where, how else are we trillions in debt? They just print it and print it, to pay for their stupid wars, give to their banks that control the system, and to save corporations that fuck up badly because they don't know how to compete in a free market. Oh yeah and to also sustain a welfare state that people abuse all the time. When you get taxed does somebody come to your house with a gun? Maybe when you don't pay taxes for years and years, but its already taken out of your check automatically depending on the percentage you have taken out when you fill out your W-4 for any legitimate spot to work. I have no problem sending my money, that's already stolen, to people who are starving or need medical help or they lose their home. Where else should it go? To sustain unwinnable wars that see millions die? To line the pockets of sleazy politicians? It happens, there's no stopping it. Ben Franklin even said nothing is more certain besides Death! You know we can always drone on and on about how taxes are stealing, and the morality of it. But the fact of the matter is it's happening, and there is no stopping it. Its not like you're making a difference typing something on a computer on a marijuana message board. Why don't you guys all get together and start protesting taxes? I've never seen that before and it would be truly amazing. I'd love to live in a paradise you describe, but like I've already said, it requires an entire reset of the system. Which very well could happen, but we may not even survive to see it. “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.†-Albert Einstein So call me an idiot and run, real intelligent of you.
I can remember getting a couple of $50 checks from the treasury during the Reagan administration. But thats all I got.
I didn't make up the term, "useful idiots," that's why I put it in quotes. Look up the actual definition. Maybe it will help, but I doubt it.
Instead of handing out what has to be taken from other people in shell game fashion and since "magically" creating $1 costs more than a dollar when it's not the result of increased real wealth and productivity, maybe we should insist that people who want to govern learn how economies actually work.
This is why I was in favor of Elizabeth Warren running. Too many lawyers, investors, and business degrees, and not enough economists and accountants.
The day is coming when the largest single federal outlay that you and I and everyone else that pays taxes will get raked over the coals to have to cover will be interest paid on the national debt. Even more than national defense. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt "fiscal responsibility" is in Elizabeth Warren's vocabulary. She's still part of the spend whatever it takes to get me and my political party lots of votes crowd. She would undoubtedly talk the usual talk about "taxing the rich", blah, blah, blah, - in spite of the fact that the rich are pretty well insulated from such efforts and it will be the middle class, as always, that pays thru the nose. And it will be the poor who are hurt the most from the long term consequences. It's a very predictable theme. "Interest payments on that debt represent a large and rapidly growing expense of the federal government. CBO's baseline shows net interest payments more than tripling under current law, climbing from $231 billion in 2014, or 1.3 percent of GDP, to $799 billion in 2024, or 3.0 percent of GDP" -- CBO's Projection of Federal Interest Payments
Yes but a lot of that comes from the spending practices of the House and Senate, come on budgets rarely decrease or remain the same. Government agencies will spend their entire budget at the end of a fiscal year just so when they come before committee they can say look we used all these funds, please give us more. I have heard accountants teaching me tell me firsthand that they will go out and buy computers they(govt agencies) don't even need, or anything just to spend that money and get more. It is a fucked up cycle that most of the public does not even realize happens because it happens in Congress, where the vast majority do not even understand roll call.
useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause. I am no man's propagandist, I support no idealogy, or any candidates for office. I just realize the world is fucked up, and I want people to help each other instead of big banks to continue their shady practices. Working inside the system, because changing it would require a reset that is impossible outside of a catastrophe. How about you take the stick out of your ass and say what you really feel Enlightened One? I hate people that act like theyre above the shit, when they themselves act like shit.
Sucks for me because everything we try and grow gets stolen at night by our lousy trailer park neighbors.
first of all I'd say your tax money is already being collected by the govt to do wasteful things like support the military industrial complex, why would you not support your money helping people in need instead of fighting foreign wars, or being used in wasteful programs.
its not that we disagree with that idea, most people here would he happier if that were the case, but its not enough Yea I'd rather money from war go to education, but I'd rather money not be stolen and wasted on either -Yuri
im fairly ignorant of the taxation system, but from what I know, taxation is a sustainable way to generate revenue for creating and maintaining a good society. Countries like Sweden tax very fairly. The problem is the capitalist America tax system with an extremely improper implementation of tax across the the economic spectrum aka the wealthy middle class poor etc.
I'll just quote yuri since I was gonna say the same thing. Now we are just arguing semantics. Either way it is evil and my point is still valid
socialism is not evil lol, Sweden, is not evil. Sweden is way better fundamentally in some ways as a country than the USA. You just hate taxation. And I agree capitalist taxation is unfair.
Any taxation is unfair that is the nature of taxation. It is non optional. That is theft. Sweden is only fundamentally better in some ways as a country if you subscribe to a socialist mindset which I do not. Better or worse is subjective in this matter some would argue but I would argue that it is objectively worse because it relies on force and cohesion to force people to pay who may not want to pay into that system aka theft. Anyway you want to sugar coat it and try to prove that it is in my or society's best interest you still can't get around the fact that I believe it is a big steaming pile of shit and you are forcing me to be a part of it
American capitalism has tax, Sweden's social democracy has tax. The difference is the implementation. In America the rich get tax breaks and cuts, in Sweden it's the opposite, Sweden's system produces a more thriving middle class that has more to money to consume with. Is taxation really fundamentally a corrupt policy? I don't know enough about its intricacies, but I don't know why you'd support capitalism over socialism or a social democracy.
yes, taxation is a fundamentally corrupt policy. It is theft! No matter what it is spent on in what system it is theft and objectively unethical regardless of what you may believe. Any idea that you have to force on a population under threat of legal force or violence of they don't comply is a shitty idea. If it were a good idea people would not need to be forced into it, they would do so by themselves.