Heat: krazy old lady could use guidance

Discussion in 'First Time Marijuana Growers' started by krazyoldlady, Jul 25, 2015.

  1. hello all you young whipper snappers.


    i live in a hotter climate plus trying to grow first time in a small space.


    purchased:
    • growlab gl 60
    • sun blaze 22 t5
    • 6" clip fan
    • small rotating desk fan
    • ventech 4" inline fan, speed control, duct tubing
    • 3 clones
    • roots organic original
    • veg+bloom fert
    • (3) 3 gallon drain at bottom pots
    • filtered water

    i'm ending week two of this new adventure but am having a helluva time with heat. it's hot right now where i'm at. i have air-conditioner and fans running in my small space so that's helping but the grow tent is staying between 80-85 F with humidity in low 60's.


    i'm struggling.


    right now i pulled the light up about 12" from top of tallest clone. two of the three Chiclets started having a few top leaves get dry on ends with tips burning plus a few spots on leaves. i may be hitting them too hard with the fans, but i'm afraid to change that or we're going over 85.


    around the time i began noticing, i had watered and given 50% fert. my watering technique has been the "soak until water starts coming out bottom - then don't water again until top inch is dry." that's about every 3 days.



    this is setup in a second, unused bathroom that has an open shower stall. the growlab sits nicely in there with about 3 to 4 inches of space on sides and back. inline fan is sitting on/in upper roof hole with duct running up and attached to bathroom's ceiling fan. at this time i am not leaving the bathroom ceiling fan on.


    please throw this old chick some tips and suggestions.


    much appreciated.


    peace.
     
  2. Before anyone else ask over and over we're going to need pics of the girls and your setup that will give everybody a chance to help find a solution to your problem
     
  3. I am growing in a grow tent 3x 2 x 4.5 ft. With 2 x 4 " inline fan. The climate here is 30- 34 deg with humidity ranging from 50- 65.
    I am facing the same heat problem. And the 300w led is not helping. Whenever I the led light is on and the grow tent door is shut, temp inside can reach 37-39 deg c.
    What I do is I give silicate blast by botanicare to help plant cope with heat stress. Keep grow area windy and on air con with temp set at 25 deg c whenever the light LED light is on. Alway keep the grow tent door open. Night time is cooler with temperature range from 26-31 deg so air con is not necessary. And my plants are striving and almost harvest time.


    Hope it help. Good luck
     
  4. Heat sucks and my personal experience is with growing outdoors, but me personally, my plants are normally fine so long as its not 90 degrees plus outside with high humidity and normally will not experience heat shock.

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  5. Still trying to get use to these forums.


    Sorry I didn't think to snap some pics and upload. Not sure how everyone organizes their media uploads? I created an album for today's events:


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  6. did you sprinkle D.E. all over the leaves? is that the white dust that's all over?
     
  7. From the comment on your photos it sounds like you have a little case of fungal gnats.. They love a wet soil so they tend to hang around our grows and while the adults are just annoying the larva can be destructive..
    http://www.homedepot.com/s/mosquito+dunks?NCNI-5 Mosquito dunks are usually found outside near the citronella candles.. Crush up a dunk and sprinkle a pinch or 3 depending on pot size about once a month to keep the little buggers under control.. Sticky traps on stakes for the adults or some neem oil spray will take out the adults..
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    If your temps are to high the solution is more exhaust.. Bright lights in small spaces all suffer the same issues.. If you don't get your temps under control in veg while the plants are thin and spindly your sure to have a nightmare of mold as things get tighter with flowering and the rise in room humidity that comes with increasing plant mass.. A sure fire recipe for trouble.. A high CFM fan with speed controller is ideal.. You can always turn an over sized fan down..
    http://hydrobuilder.com/fans-filters-environment/grow-room-fans-blowers/inline-fans.html go with a bigger inline fan and matching speed controller that moves enough CFM to get the job done..
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    Pots and watering--- I like square pots.. You get the maximum soil per plant in your small spaces and it prevents the tap root circling you find in round pots.. I start very small 3x3x3 inch pots and transplant at 12 inches tall to a 6x6x7.. Water by lifting the pot.. Really light water.. Actually let one wilt to understand just how dry they can get.. All newbees overwater.. You just can't resist LOL sorry but it's all to true.. Find your nearest hydro shop and walk around.. Maybe buy a few square pots.. Price his fans, most brick stores will come close in price to online if pressed a bit.. Like all shopping know your price range before hand..
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    It's early.. I'm stoned.. Did I cover it all ?? Opps no.. Are you in a legal state?? Can you grow outside?? Enough for now happy growing BNW
     
  8. Yes, I dusted the clones with the diatamaceous earth. Most of those "spots" are the D.E. The two smaller clones do have a few top leaves where the ends are dried out (leathery) and the very tips are brown. Plus a few brown spots on those leaves.


    I like the idea of square pots. Will definitely get that in my growing system going forward.


    I'll head to local hydro shop today regarding a higher CFM inline fan. That Ventech is 190 CFM. I could move it to the intake and get a higher CFM for the outtake. I also have an errand to hardware store, so I'll pick up the mosquito dunks there.


    I'm not in a situation where I can grow outside. :( I would absolutely love that and so would the plants.


    Thanks everyone.
     
  9. I would get that D.E. off the leaves. it doesn't work that way. its gotta be in the soil to have any pest management properties.
     
  10. Do you test the PH of your mix before you water?


    I am seeing some corkscrewing on the leaves
     
  11. #11 usandthem, Jul 28, 2015
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    You don't need a fan for intake. Use all of your fans for exhaust.
     
  12. Krazyoldlady I think your avatar looks hot. Is that you in the pic?
     
  13. hello again you whipper snappers.


    forgive me. i just don't do internet like all you do. plus this has been an insane week. <big puff=""></big>
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    <big puff="">it appears some of you are darn right *fresh* -- grasscoty! feeling the urge to find my yard stick. [​IMG]</big>
    <big puff="">i am feeling like such a horrible parent. i thought i'd researched enough and had a grip on things -- my first grow is not turning out as planned.</big>
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    <big puff="">the D.E. topic -- many organic farmers utilize tons of it. they dust it all over the plants, soil, cracks, etc. regardless, it was only on them a short time. i also picked up mosquito dunk and neem oil. i crumbled a dunk and sprinkled a bit on top soil of each pot. made a mild neem oil spray and misted all things "plant" -- plant, topsoil, pot, drain holes, catch pan.</big>
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    <big puff="">the gnat / bug crisis has eased considerably. its not over and comes in waves but it is nothing compared to before intervention.</big>
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    <big puff="">the guy at the hydro shop sold me on soil for "ease of use / beginner" qualities. he said i didn't need to worry about pH. that the soil would take care of that. well...</big>
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    <big puff="">grabbed a pH kit and sure enough, water draining out was very acid. it was about time for first flush, so i did that a bit early. each 3 gallon pot getting 5 or 6 gallons of pH balanced / light nute water. this is RO water that begins at perfect 7 pH. so the nutes, veg+bloom, is really doing a number when added! is this simply the nature of fertilizers? or is it this particular brand?</big>
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    <big puff="">while i'm bugging you kids, i'm assuming this sun blaze 22 is not appropriate to get through flowering. correct? what might you recommend?</big>
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    <big puff="">peace! til we meet again.</big>
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  14. Your hydro guy was correct and toss that PH test kit in the drawer you don't need it.. Stop pouring gallons of useless water through your soil.. Flushing.. Here is what the smartest guy on the city I've known has to say on flushing..
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    Pimp T, on 12 May 2015 - 8:13 PM, said:
    hey coot how does the whole "flushing" soil thing apply to the Clackamas coot mix? What are your thoughts on flushing LOS? Should aloe silica coconut water ful power and SST watering stop 2 weeks prior to harvest?
    Here's the most recent answer that I gave to this question a couple of weeks ago....
    Chlorophyll b is the 'type' found in plants as we're defining it. Other structures are found in algae, cyanobacteria, et al.
    Here is the molecular formula - C55H70O6N4Mg so we're looking at 55 Carbon ions, 70 Hydrogen ions, 6 Oxygen ions, 4 Nitrogen ions and 1 Magnesium ion. All 6 forms of chlorophyll have one consistent dynamic, i.e. a single Magnesium ion. Not two, not three - one. So much for the mythology about magnesium-hungry plants or worse in the wacky weed world where specific 'strains' can be magnesium-hungry. Looking at just chlorophyll b a better myth would be carbon-hungry or hydrogen-hungry and maybe even oxygen-hungry and nothing to do with magnesium.
    My understanding of this worst example of stoner science is that by dumping copious amounts of water somehow water with it's simple H2O formula is able to reach up from the root zone then into a plant's vascular system and deconstruct a fairly complex molecule - that must be some really unique water indeed!
    In a dynamic called translocation plants can and do move materials from leaves to other tissues - that is established botany. Plants produce carbohydrates (sugars) in the leaves by photosynthesis but non-photysynthetic parts of the plant also require carbohydrates and other organic and nonorganic materials. It's for this reason that nutrients are translocated from sources (regions of excess carbohydrates, primarily matures leaves) to what are called sinks.
    ?Some important sinks are roots, flowers, fruits, stems and developing leaves. Leaves are particularly interesting in the translocation process because they are sinks when they are young and become sources later when they are about half-grown.
    Carbohydrates are simply Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules, i.e. simple sugars.
    So let's say for sake of silliness that flushing can trigger translocation which must be a real threat for rice plants, where are the chlorophyll molecules going? They can't be destroyed because they're elements which cannot be destroyed or changed unless of course we're talking about cannabis which has special properties that negate almost every law of botany, biology, chemistry, physics imaginable.
    My simple question is this: once this special water deconstructs the chlorophyll compound where do the ions go? Into thin air? That would be difficult since Magnesium is a metallic element but again we have to suspend even common sense to shore-up the flushing argument so who knows? Perhaps a special air canopy is created from flushing which can move magnesium around at will.
    Even if water could deconstruct and force translocation of elements doesn't that defeat the purpose in the first place which is claimed that flushing will remove the nasties causing us to not have dank! If the mature leaves are the repository the why would you want to move these ions to the buds which you plan on consuming?
    It's difficult to write this stuff without falling out of my chair with laughter. The argument fails on every level - even common sense.
    Fire away! I'm wearing stainless-steel Fruit of the Loom briefs - I can take it!
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    • End quote:: Needless to say I don't flush.. I don't PH my 8.5 ph high PPM city hose water either.. It's soil and you just don't need to screw with any of that shit.. Proof is in the pudding as us old farts say.. My soil has been used over and over again and it's a dead simple mix being mostly..
    • 50% well used FFOF (fox farms ocean forest)
    • Promix peat in 2 cf cube = lowes
    • Composted chicken manure = lowes
    • Ecoscraps compost = home depot
    • Perlite in 2 cubic foot bags = home depot
    • Alfalfa pellets = feed and tack store.. Pet store rabbit chow will do for smaller amounts..
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    Blue Berry shown here is a damn fussy strain usually dropping fan leafs left and right from the get go.. All dialed in this one hasn't skipped a beat in my low cost near zero effort hose water only organic grow.. Just my 2 cents.. BNW
    Edit.. Instead of drowning your plants let them dry to the point of wilting to see just how light that pot is when that happens.. Won't hurt and it's amazing to watch how it recovers in just 60 seconds..
     
  15. part of being a krazy old lady is that i question everything -- especially when it's not fully making sense or adding up.


    regardless, i am always coach-able and love the sharing of data.


    i can buy in to what you posted. it doesn't change the fact that the kids were in crisis. what would you have done to remedy that? until you are forthcoming with with that gift, you haven't necessarily been helpful.


    add to this the fact that the kids have quickly perked up and undergone quite a bit of sudden growth in just a day.


    i do want to find a working method that is more natural, less taxing, less wasteful and not outrageously expensive. Dumping through all that water felt wrong, plus i pay out-of-pocket for it.



    so i'm all ears.


    i appreciate your time.


    peace! til we meet again.

     

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