Coco Grow/ First time/ one plant is showing a odd problem.

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  1. Hellogood folk,<o:p></o:p>
    \nMy nameis TallChief and i'm new to your community.<o:p></o:p>
    I'm anew grower first time but i belive i have studied it more then i did for myeducation this year XD<o:p></o:p>
    Anyway, i have a problem one of my plants 1 out of 5 let's call her''Maggie'' is still refusing to bud, it, had just recovered from a kalium problem tho.<o:p></o:p>
    \nI usedto feed the plants right after i mixed it up, and the PH at the bottom of thebucket was 5.9 and i always fed Maggie last so she always got 5.9 which is outof the calcium part which is why she got yellow leaves.<o:p></o:p>
    Anywaynow i let my feed bucket sit for 1 hour after i mixed it and ph'd it and makesure that the bottom is also 5.8 if your curious i grow in Coco so i feed themevery day with a EC of 1,4 to 1,8 and PH of constantly 5.8, <o:p></o:p>
    \nSo Maggiehas got her colours back she looks nice but come on it's almost 1,2 week nowand still no buds is she shocked or something? I don't get it the rest is doingwell right?<o:p></o:p>
    \nhereare some facts <o:p></o:p>
    \nStrain,Jack Herer<o:p></o:p>
    Seedbank: Green house (yes, yes, there generics suck so i heared, that's why iblasted my plants with ducth reverse just to be sure)<o:p></o:p>
    Growmedieum: Coco mix<o:p></o:p>
    Nutritiunline: HESI COCO line, (hesi, coco, hesi power zyme, hesi supervit, hesipk 13/14)<o:p></o:p>
    Wheream i now: I;m at flower cycle begin of 4th week so day 22-23<o:p></o:p>
    vegtime was around 1 and a half mounth i think almost 2 mounths.<o:p></o:p>
    Tempand HUM: around 26 degrees last few days it hit 32 degrees because we had aheat wave but that's like sometimes.<o:p></o:p>
    Humiditystays around 40 - 60 <o:p></o:p>
    Light600 watt<o:p></o:p>
    \nI haveto admit my veg cycle wasent all roses and candy, i had some fucked up stages(pardon my French) probably made the same mistake which every new grower makesEVERYTHING cus this shit aint easy ughm. <o:p></o:p>
    \nBut nowi got the hang of it, but i'm just curious about that one plant why doesn't itbud almost 4th week and they are all the same strain.<o:p></o:p>
    \nPlzhelp and maybe give a small look on the other plants see if i missed something.





    On the pictures i point at the one who is not budding ''Maggie'' and to her neighbour which is showing buds and they all started at the same time, spo it cant be light leaks because the rest is doing fine.










     

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  2. Hello???
    Show me some love peeps come on!
     
  3. Hello there, she could be running a little slow because of the treatment you gave here..make sure you watch she doesn't hermie on you...stress can do that. I can say what your doing is good, your humidity shouldn't go over 45 though. I do grow in coco and I like it. You can go 24hr dark to push flowering?
    To tell what's wrong her, I can't...she looks healthy.
     
  4. Other than your heat issue, everything seems fine. Given that all the other plants are doing fine I would say that you most likely have a genetic screwup. Not odd coming from greenhouse. Your lucky it hasnt started popping male flowers, yet.
     
  5. Hey guys,
    Thx for replaying.
    yea I heared about green house and there genetic history.
    so far I have to say there seeds do great actually, but I have been spraying my plants with ducth master reverse as a preventive.
    started 1 week into flower and 10 days after.
    but you think it might be the heat?
    Because it hit 32 degrees for a week it slowed down the bud production.
    would you also advise me to keep spraying with dutch reverse or do you say once is enough as a preventive.
     
  6. Stop spraying with the Dutch.
    Temps should range for 70 to 80.
     
  7. from what ive learned ph of 5.5-6.5 is recomended for coco. also the exact same ph isnt recomended. should fluxuate a few points. not by a whole number but within the limits. cause some nutes dont get absorbed at 5.8 but 6 they will, whil others at 6 wont. so exactly getting a ph of 5.8 each time may seem good for the plant, but some days should boost it to 6-6.2. calcium and mag, wont be absorbed with a ph of 5.8
     
  8. #8 TallChief, Jul 7, 2015
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    HeyRayman,<o:p></o:p>
    Thx for replaying. yea from what i know is that if you stay on5.8 you get all the nutes at least that's what the nute chart says, 5,7 youmiss out on mag, but you're on the sweet spot of kal, however 5.9 you miss outon kal, but you're on the sweet spot of mag, and 5,8 you're in themiddle so says the nute chart at least.<o:p></o:p>
    Anyway!<o:p></o:p>
    What the Fuc*k is going on with this plant, look at it, still nosign of bud development, what so ever no white hairs nothing, it's like itturned into some kind of hennep plant or something is that even possible?<o:p></o:p>
    Please some experienced grower who had this problem tell me thatit's going to be fine, because i'm going out of my mind it's i'm in day 2 ofweek 4 and this, i don't know what to say about this.<o:p></o:p>
    she looks fully recovered and all but still no white hair, oranything, and she is def no hermie i checked everywhere for balls and stuff.<o:p></o:p>
    Please help me before i lose my mind.<o:p></o:p>
    PS. she has pistels, so that's not it she has shown sex, whichshe should have anyway because it's feminized seeds, taught i mention it anyway.<o:p></o:p>




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  9. If it's just one plant, take it out of the room and have a really good look at it. I don't know because it looks ok.
     
  10. Hey man,


    I think it's a genetic fuck up what else can it be?
    I have searched the entire Internet.
    I almost married google couldn't find anything similar to this problem.
    week 4 and still no king crown man I don't know and I think I never will get the answer cuss this problem is to vague.
    gonna give it a week if not showing any sign of a crown in week 5 i'm just gonna chop her no other way I think.
    thx for tha help anyways.




     
  11. #11 sp33dy36, Jul 8, 2015
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    Not exactly my friend. Calcium is a slow moving nutrient and helps with plant structure and heat stress. It can take a week to clear up, but the affected areas will not be repaired. Watch new growth form and see if is green.

    Also, be aware that calcium deficiency is normally accompanied by another deficiency. To much potassium will also cause a calcium deficiency.

    To fix her flush her with clean PH water. Wait a few days and see how things change.

    Went hydro and had this issue. Took forever to solve this pita problem.
     
  12. #12 jay719, Jul 8, 2015
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    Im still voting for another Arjan bred genetic failure, but Ive had quite a bit of disappointment with his gear so forgive me if I seem jaded.


    I also run my ph at 5.8 Chief and havent had any issues other than when I stopped checking ph and somehow eneded up watering at 5.2 ph more than once. Both Ed's coco tutorial here at gc and the h3ad goes coco thread elsewhere show great results keeping ph at 5.8 so I dont see any reason to screw with it.



    Its hard to tell 100% because of the yellow lighting in the pictures, but I dont see anything other than a bit of heat stress. The leaves in your first pictures that arent directly under the yellow light look fine to me. If you were having major cal-mag or ph issues then it should show in your leaves somewhere. Mine had lock out when I let my ph slip but it only effect those leaves and corrected easily when I got the ph right.



    You should be seeing something more like this if you have locked out cal-mag.


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  13. No, not always. I ended up locking up calcium and it caused chlorosis at leaf ends with the leaf curving left or right.
     
  14. #14 TallChief, Jul 8, 2015
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    Guys thx for replaying and trying to help, really appriciate it [​IMG]

    Hey Jay,


    Uh,when I first started noticing that something was wrong with her, she was showingpale looking leafs.<o:p></o:p>
    They startedto become like lime green, then those inside of the leaves started to turnyellow like it was using her own leaf energy. <o:p></o:p>
    It lookedlike MG def, but it couldn't be MG def cuss I gave her 5.9. So it had to becalcium, because when i started making sure i didn't made that same mistake andstarted giving her 5.8 like the rest she started to show colour again, only nocrowns until now [​IMG][​IMG].



    I havemade some pictures, from the old growth, those leaves that never will repair, andthe new growth, if you look closely, you can see black spots on the old leaves,i never could 100% figure out what that was, but it disappeared when Icorrected her ph. to 5.8.<o:p></o:p>


    First picture is the new growth second old growth.


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    Still nothing not a single white hair on her buds like she is mad at me or something not willing to bud, i have no idea why she does this to me [​IMG].



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    The one with the red arrow is the Devil that doesnt wanna bud haha uhhhh :'(..












    DO YOU GUYS WANNA SEE SOMETHING ELSE STRANGE....


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    look at this i found somethinglooking like a hermie ball but there are pistils coming out of it, could it bebecause i used Dutch master reverse as a preventative that it made the maleball turn normal and gave it pistils.
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    PS. thats the only ball looking thing that i found, i;m not even sure if it is a hermie ball or just something normal, but it kind a looks like a coming from a small stem, and that is a sign it was ment to be a hermie ball right?

     
  15. So I have read through your journal and if it was me I would just toss the plant. I think that it could have been stress from veg or the dutchmaster reverse just kinda stalling it out sometimes you just get a week genetic the best thing to do is toss it no need to spend a ton of money trying to get it do anything because it's just not in it genes to do it. That's part of the game. Also some people do get issues from fem seeds such as a herm it could be that it was gonna herm and the Dutch master stalled it out from doing that either way I would just toss it it's taking up time and money and not really looking promising. I know you probably don't want to hear that but that's just how I look at things I don't like to waste money on something that is not gonna produce
     
  16. #16 TallChief, Jul 8, 2015
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    Hey Smitty,


    Thanks for the fast answer,


    Hmm, thats some harsh news yeah, perhaps you're right, you think it's a tikking time bomb?


    What if i kept spraying it with dutch master reverse, you think it would work or makes matters worse or like wont change a thing, since i already used it as a preventitive.


    It's a shame tho, u think it's wise to wait out another 4 days untill week 5, or do you say it could turn herm on my ass anymoment?


    Could it have been the temp switch, last week there was a heat wafe in our countery made the temps go 31 degree, in my growroom. And now it's normal again and my grow room has a temp of 26,5 could the heat switch made this happen?
     
  17. Plants are meant to grow outdoors. You get heat waves and cold spells all the time when going out doors and they can handle that to some extent so indoors they can handle it to some extent. To me it's not worth the time or the money. And the only thing i would do preventative would be big control other than that just treat the problem when it happens something's can slow growth or bud production keep posting I will check in as much as possible
     
  18. #18 TallChief, Jul 8, 2015
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    Thxbrother appreciate it [​IMG];)<o:p></o:p>
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    We'll do, I'm not done with her yet hehe.

     
  19. Well just keep posting I will check on her
     

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