Vietnam relatives

Discussion in 'Pandora's Box' started by travilanche, Jul 3, 2015.

  1. So this is kinda weird, but when I was a little kid, WWII veterans were old men. Now Vietnam war vets are that same age, and it is fucking with me.


    On top of that, the way those 2 wars were are completely different. WWII was about crushing evil. My grandpa fought in that war and that is how he described it. He fought the Japanese in the Navy, and they saw them as pure evil.


    On the other hand, my uncle fought in the Vietnam war and it was a completely different vibe. They were there to kill sub-humans. People that didn't deserve sentience.


    My dads brother fought in Vietnam and he had 3 confirmed kills. That men's that he knows for sure that he killed 3 human beings. One story he told me was he used to drive a truck in a convoy, and the Vietcong would pretend to be police on the road so they could stop American convoys and kill the truck drivers. My uncle knew this shit was going down, so he was getting pulled over by a one of these Vietcong, and he knew what was up. So instead of pulling over, he drove up to the guy, pointed his gun out the window, and ended him. Emptied an automatic clip into the guy.


    How the fuck can you experience something like this and still be a functional human being like my uncle? The same can be said for soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan. It isn't a moral thing..you are just killing sub-humans.


    How is it possible to do this and live a normal life? Anyone have a similar story about a relative?
     
  2. during WW2 they would (at least on camera) treat their POW's with respect and dignity whether they were German, Japanese, American, Russian. you often see captured soldiers smiling at the camera with their enemies surrounding them with rifles


    and don't forget the "christmas truce" in 1914 when German and British soldiers, who had been fighting a trench war, crossed lines to talk, smoke and exchange things



    today soldiers urinate on the dead bodies of their enemies
    war should be fought with grace


    imo the Vietnam war must've been much more traumatizing than Iraq/Afghanistan
    thick jungles with enemies, commies hiding in trees, traps rigged between trees
     
  3. Dad was a "Thud" pilot in Vietnam. He WAS all about kill all them zipper heads!! Now has a V house keeper and buys all his crabs n crawfish from her brother she is fn hot! Lol
     
  4. My uncle was a bad motherfucker. Marine. Fought on hamburger hill. I've heard a ton of stories from my father and him before he died. I have his medals too.
     
  5. My grandfather supposedly crashed a plane during WWII and survived to go home and meet my grandmother.
    My father joined the military during the Korea conflict but was discharged when they diagnosed him with bipolar.

    My grandfather on my mother's side of the family was Navel Air but I'm not sure if he was ever sent to war.



     
  6. Sir, that is a fairy tale expectation.
     
  7. There is no such thing as a "automatic clip"
     
  8. It once existed, and it was pure unimaginative stupidity that got a lot of intelligent men killed over the idea that battle should be chivalrous and therefore equal. Blades, bombs, and bullets don't care what is equal, and as you know neither should you by that point.
     
  9. My dad was born in 1899, and volunteered for service in WW1.


    He was in the ambulance corp and picked up the dead and wounded after battles, pretty gruesome, he didn't talk much about it.


    He did have some funny stories. Once they got an order to retreat, and being in an ambulance they retreated so far it took him two days to catch back up with his unit....can't say that I blame him...haha


    He even tried to sign up when WW2 broke out but he was a little too old...he was 51 when I was born
     
  10. Governments (including ours) train soldiers to hate whoever the enemy of the day is, so they view them as subhumans. Supposedly it is easier to murder someone who is defending their land, that you are trespassing on, if you've been brainwashed into thinking they are not human.


    Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't it can drive the men crazy for the rest of their lives. Deep down, morally, they know it is just murder. So does everybody else except you're not supposed to mention it. They were "defending the country," lol.


    Right.





    1899? How the fuck old are you? [​IMG]



    My (late) dad was born in 1913, I'll be 65 next month, and I have two older sisters.

     
  11. #11 roorforcrumble, Jul 4, 2015
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    There are rules of engagement, American soldiers will not shoot at you unless you point a firearm at them or shoot first. Or unless you're going to run a roadblock, but we have new technology for that which will simply disable the vehicle's electrical system.


    There are some rules. There was a time we shot those who shouldered weapons and helped injured insurgents off of the battlefield. The tactic was to use the injured guy as bait for a sniper team. If someone wants to kill your friends then it is on you to kill them first, it is about survival and not letting your buddies down. Call it what you want, if you die you cannot call it anything. Also no one cares if it is fair as long as it isn't a cruel and painful death, that is what is wrong in warfare, such as using gas or hollow points.
     
  12. LOL @ "rules" for trespassing, destroying others' property, and committing mass-murder.
     
  13. it's crazy shit man, tonight at fireworks display all those loud bangs just must bring back awful memories to wwII veterans like mortar strikes or machine gun fire. Utmost respect for veterans...
     
  14. #14 roorforcrumble, Jul 4, 2015
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    Lol @ your irrationality about how the world works. You really support the Taliban, Saddam, Ho Chi Minh and the NVA, Mao(whose troops Americans fought in North and South Korea), Hitler, Maurice Bishop, Manuel Noriega, Benito Mussolini, and etc.. So just pick who you're protecting with those words. You are acting like we're the reason those places are unstable in the first place. When it is because of ignorance like yours that people are passive enough to allow such disgusting people to emerge with power.
     


  15. Get out your calculator...he was born in 1899, he fathered me when he was 51...........


     
  16. Ha, okay, so depending on his birthday you were born in 1950. Great year! Me too. My dad was 37 when I was born.


    It was just odd for me to see anyone here on GC whose father was born in the 1800s. My dad was the youngest in his family, but his oldest brother was born in 1897.

     
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  18. #18 Shagnus, Jul 4, 2015
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    I kinda wish i was living during vietnam so i could go to the airports where people spit on returning veterans. Id be doing much morse things to those people. It baffles me that theyre so fuckkng stupid that they treat them like that. two thirds of those guys were drafted and lived through some horrible shit.

    Also, my grandpa was a pilot in korea
     
  19. Saying nothing just shows me that you know nothing and give up because you know you are wrong.
     
  20. My grandpa was in WWII on a destroyer. A Kamikaze pilot crashed on their deck, but the ship survived. So fucked up. He also was at Normandy at D+3. So he saw some fucked up shit. War is fucking weird.
     

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