If youre into math and physics

Discussion in 'High Ideas' started by SlowMo, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. Well, if you're into math and/or physics, may I suggest, while high as fuck, checking out -


    1. Godel's incompleteness theorem, which used a clever crafting of "the Liar Paradox" to effectively pull the rug out from under the notion that mathematics is grounded on the consistent ability to prove what is so by applying logic to what has either been assumed or previously proven.
      Godel found through the strict application of logic that "for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true, BUT NOT PROVABLE IN THE THEORY."
    2. And Bell's theorem (or "Bell's inequality"), which cleverly proposed a doable experiment (that was subsequently performed) that could decide whether physical reality favored Einstein's more deterministic view, or Bohr's non-deterministic view of quantum mechanics. This represents one of the more clever applications of human reasoning and it resulted in a way to test between two rival, fundamental interpretations of quantum reality.

    Either are classics in subtle reasoning and work well to propel the stoned mind toward a rather large WOW-factor, imo.

     
  2. I just got to this thread now but I'll definitely check them out tomorrow
     
  3. bells theorem lead me down the road of reading and watching videos all morning lol

    I was sad to find quantum computers aren't all they were cracked up to be, because of the inability to measure a superposition. And the inability to force a spin, making instant information transfer at a distance impossible.

    For now it seems quantum gaming.computers are a work of fanrasy unless I am misunderstanding something

    -Yuri
     
  4. I wasn't too keen on Bell's theorem.. but I haven't studied it too much. From the video I saw awhile back.. it was saying something like that if they do the test and the results were 50%, it would mean that Einstein was correct.. but the results were 54% so therefore Bohr is correct. Might have the numbers switched, but either way.. a 4% difference isn't really substantial enough for me to say either or is correct. I personally feel like quantum entanglement isn't going to be all that people think, or want it to be.
     
  5. that's because bells theorum is commonly misunderstood

    Essentially It believe it proved conservation of energy if I'm not mistaken

    The experimental result was 50% exactly.

    What bells theorum proved I believe, is that entangled particles spin is determined at the moment of entanglement, and will always remain the same.

    Also you are right. Unless we can force the electron to change spin (thus changing the spin of the entangled one if that's even possible) all entanglement is good for is information storage ?

    If it is true that the spins are permanent after entangled, it could provide a good way to improve computer memory storage maybe

    -Yuri
     
  6. also its not that the 4% number was significantly different, its that it proved a different philosophy

    Though I don't understand it fully, it proved einnstein wrong about his theory of entanglement, but right about relativity?

    This stuff ggave me a headache

    -Yuri
     
  7. Here is how I imagine quantum entanglement. Imagine you had a badass samurai sword.. and some dude threw a baseball at you. You then use your sword and cut the baseball perfectly in half.. and the 2 halves separate, yet each half's rotation is a perfect reflection of the other. There is no mysterious entanglement holding them together.. you simply just split them to where each half moves as if they were still connected. I feel like that is what is happening with QE.. we are simply splitting a particle into 2 perfect halves whose rotation mirrors one another. I know they say they created entangled photons where they captured one in a crystal and smashed the other into something and the one in the crystal showed a change upon impact, but I think that is a load of poop. The simple act of capturing an entangled photon would inadvertently change the state of the photon, therefore collapsing the entanglement. Other tests where we measured the entanglement of both halves don't prove much to me either.. cause for all we know they simply could of been set on a mirrored path like with the baseball. Now if they were able to do a followup measurement on an entangled pair and see they are still entangled, I'd be more receptive.. but it is impossible because the moment you measure one or both entangled particles, you change them and would break any entanglement.
     
  8. I think you are spot on

    -Yuri
     
  9. I'm enjoying some beer at the moment but I'll keep this bookmarked for when I am not drinking beer haha. I am a civil engineering student so anything involving math + physics can keep me occupied for a while. For now, I will study the hydrodynamics of craft beer as it enters the closed hydraulic system known as my liver; I wonder if Bernoulli's equation is relevant for this phenomenon?
     

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