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Making edibles with spent BHO weed

Discussion in 'Weed Edibles' started by nevrmindedness, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. #1 nevrmindedness, Jul 2, 2015
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    Just found about a qp of ground bud that has had vector shot through it. The bag's been sitting in the back of my safe since my homemade bho phase about a year ago. I still don't know if it was worth saving but it always hurts my heart a little to throw out something that has any chance of being even slightly useful (especially if that use is to get baked).
    So now that i've learned and practiced creating effective edibles from 'trash' like avb and stems, i'm about to start experimenting with it. I know that if there is any amount of thc in it, it is probably a very small amount, although from what i have read in other forums it CAN be as strong as (or stronger than) avb.
    I just put 56g in a mason jar with 1.75 cups of ev coconut oil and 2 tbsp of soy lecithin (i do a similar recipe with avb very successfully). That mason jar is currently sitting in the crockpot, along with a twin batch which i decarbed first. I'll report back in about 2 days when i cook with it and let everyone know what the effects are like (if any). In the meantime, i'll be researching any better uses for "ARB" (already ran bud, eh?), and any dangers of consuming it. Trace butane additives are my biggest concern on this front... Vector 14x was the butane used, which is supposedly very clean (msds confirms), but i would rather be safe than sorry.
    Questions on my mind are:
    Even after a very efficient bho extraction, is there a chance any cannabinoids (not just thc) are left inside the plant matter in any significant amount?
    If there is any thc left behind, is there a chance it could have become decarboxylated during the extraction process? (Maybe due to the sudden temp changes?)
    Any harmful products left behind by vector 14 butane? (I read the msds and didnt see any red flags, but ive also read that those can be unreliable, so please let me know if anyone tried this and like imploded or something).
    Hopefully i'll be able to answer these all myself in a day or two when it's all said and done. Cheers blades
     
  2. #2 PatrickXy6dC, Jul 2, 2015
    Nevermindness, I will be anxiously awaiting the results of your experiment. I know how you feel about throwing away perfectly good looking cannabis, but like you I'm not sure any thc is left.
     
  3. #3 foolmelt, Jul 2, 2015
    Yes there will be residual mystery oil and toxins, don't cook with sprayed weed man.
     
  4. #4 nevrmindedness, Jul 2, 2015
    Do you have any info or links to back this up?
    Like i said, i used vector 14 (refined up to 14x), which as far as i know is extremely clean and contains only butane, isobutane and propane. None of these chemicals alone should leave behind any "mystery oil" or "toxins", and none were contained in the bho i made so why would they be in the bud?
    If you have ANY hard info backing your claims please share.
     
  5. #5 foolmelt, Jul 2, 2015
  6. #6 nevrmindedness, Jul 2, 2015
    Nice... THAT is exactly what i've been searching for. Thanks.
    I used vector 14x though, so only 18 mg contaminants/can. Which is still a lot of shit, i know that 18mg of certain substances can be a fuckload.
    But there are quite a few trace chems (much more than i expected)... it sounds like a lot of them are harmless long-chain hydrocarbons though.
    I researched dichlorobenzene as it sounds like the biggest health concern of all the undesirable traces. Nasty stuff for sure... But also found in drinking water, and deemed safe by the epa in amounts of 75 mcg/liter. It's also one of the sparsest chemicals, but highly lipophilic so i guess it would be very prominent in the canna-oil...
    I'm going to do more research though, as im continuously running into testimonies that say it's totally safe, and many of the foods on grocery shelves contain products that have been extracted with butane. I will definitely make sure i'm well-read before eating this stuff... I don't like waste but i also don't like cancer...
     
  7. #7 PsychedelicSam, Jul 3, 2015
    Don't do it. I have. Someone gave me a lot of trim and didn't tell me it had been blasted. Nasty stuff. Throw it away. Worthless if you value your body.
    [​IMG]


     
  8. #8 nevrmindedness, Jul 3, 2015
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    Damn ok. Thanks for the warning PSam. I guess thats really all i needed to hear, words of experience...
    Out of curiosity did anything happen to you? Like were there negative effects or any effects at all? Definitely gunna throw it away but im still curious. This could turn into a PSA thread, because i see lots of people doing this around the internet and recommending it to others...
     
  9. #9 PsychedelicSam, Jul 3, 2015
    It was looking and smelling off from the first. I extracted with alcohol and it was just all wrong but I didn't know why and wanted to give the benefit of a doubt. It took on a chemical smell that reminded me of solvent. It had enough of an old weed smell to it that I didn't question at first because it was a friend. Turns out the guy he got it from had large quantities but not telling anybody what it was. It was free so i didn't question it. I even did a little but there was very little effect and it was short lived. The whole experience was pretty nasty. It went down the drain and in the trash. [​IMG]
     
  10. #10 nevrmindedness, Jul 3, 2015
    Hmm alright. Well i definitely don't want to downplay your input or experience because i value your opinion greatly...
    BUT throughout this entire process i have not detected any hint of a foul/chemical odor or anything off about the material or the coconut oil solution into which it has now been extracted. I'm looking at it and smelling it (now strained and solidified) and it's completely indiscernible from normal cannacoco oil. Its bright green and smells better than the avb oil which i made right beforehand. So was the smell/taste your main worry about it? Again, not downplaying at all cuz i got mad respect for ya PSam.
    And I'm not the kind of guy who likes to knowingly risk his health for a high... But honestly it's still under debate whether or not bho itself is safe. Lots of things are deemed dangerous upon initial study, but many times down the road we realize that those things are no more dangerous than shit we already do everyday and don't think twice about (what's even in the tap water?)
    Also, if/when it turns out a definitively bad idea to make edibles with bho 'leftovers'... Does that also rule out salve/massage oil? I know i sound desperate or whatever but idc. I am desperate for knowledge lol
     
  11. #11 PsychedelicSam, Jul 3, 2015
    You can't tell by just looking at it and while it may smell like pot, it's probably brickweed smell if any, as opposed to the dankness before blasting. It's exactly like my used material after making Green Dragon. I make a bunch of that stuff. Looks perfect and doesn't stink, just kind of neutral. But worthless. There's an aroma to material that has already been through a solvent but you may not notice if you weren't familiar. If I had placed the blasted stuff next the alcohol extracted material, they look and smell the same if fully dried. The other taste, smell and look came when I processed with alcohol. Infusing into coconut oil or other similar medium is going to disquise that.


    There's already enough stuff that can harm you and more everyday so why add to that? With alcohol extraction you can at least smoke and discover it's no good for anything but cant do that with butane, or at least I wouldn't suggest it.


    Since you already have it in coconut oil, you can try it for topicals. That's what I was going to use mine for but it didn't seem to have enough left even for that. Remember I did some and it was not worth the time. Because I have health issues, there's no desire to put that stuff in or on my body for no benefit. If you were to make a Green Dragon from it, you're trichome husks are nearly black, not the light tan of fresh material. That was the real indicator otherwise I might not have caught it. [​IMG]


    It's your choice. Maybe your experience will be different.
     
  12. #12 nevrmindedness, Jul 3, 2015
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    Well i don't want to knowingly ingest carcinogens... And from the link fullmeltalchemist shared, it seems there are quite a few. I'm thinking about making a salve though... Skin contact with trace amounts of carcinogens sounds less scary than actually eating them, although i agree it still doesn't sound desirable. But the question that's now burning me up, how much more toxic is 'arb' than the bho that was made from it? The only difference between the two materials is that the bho was heated and vac purged. But this would only remove the butane, correct? It would still leave behind most of the nasty additives (dichlorobenzene is solid below 174c (345f). Nobody purges at that high of temp, so theoretically all the chems i am worried about in my 'arb' are already contained in most bho.
    Still holding off on using this stuff in any way till im done calculating the risk. The reward is small, but the risk might be too. Im a daily dabber going on 3 years now, so if i've been consuming these chemicals unknowingly for that long at that frequency (and i feel better than ever), then whats the point in avoiding trace amounts of those same chems?
    That would be like abstaining from cigarettes because you work in a chinese casino and constantly breathe in cig smoke... Don't make no sense
     
  13. #13 nevrmindedness, Jul 5, 2015
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    So i've been researching... And i've decided to make a salve. It definitely sounds like there could be some scary chemicals lurking in my 'arb'-coco oil infusion, so i'm afraid to ingest it. However i have decided (after researching the individual chemicals that scare me) that rubbing it on my skin is something i am comfortable with trying. The skin is designed to handle reasonable amounts of abuse and assault from trace chemicals (it does everyday) and i feel that if this turns out to be harmful i will most likely find out via a skin rash or other minor irritation.
    Of course, if anyone has any sources/experience that would urge me not to do this, i'm still open. I have found little reason not to try it, but i do value my health as well as yall's opinions.
     
  14. #14 nevrmindedness, Jul 12, 2015
    Almost forgot to update:
    Made some salve and tried some on a trouble area of my back. It had little to no effects except for a strange itchy tingling. I figured its not worth any risk that might be involved so im gunna throw it out.
    Watch for the curb alert on craigslist lol
     

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