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Decarbing kief for tincture question

Discussion in 'Weed Edibles' started by A guy, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. #1 A guy, Jun 29, 2015
    I'll start by apologizing if this has been covered many times already. I didn't see anything about it here or online.


    I want to make an alcohol tincture with kief. Everywhere I read folks bake the kief to decarb and I'm a bit skeptical that it's the best way because of dangers of loosing product to vaporization. Ovens go through wild temperature swings to maintain desired temp.


    Is there a reason why folks don't heat up kief IN alcohol to decarb? Seems like you would be more likely to keep all of your product, esters, terps, what have you. My thought would be to add kief to a pint jar of Everclear then put it in a water bath at a maintained temperature for the designated period of time. This would essentially be the "canning" method and I would think there would be no chance of loss of product this way. I have access to a sous-vide style set up that maintains water temperatures very closely.


    My goal is to have a strong tincture in a dropper bottle where just a couple of drops would give a mild effect.


    Please only respond with an answer if you know what you're talking about from experience or can point me in a direction (links) that pertain to what I'm talking about.


    Thanks!

     
  2. #2 Jimmy Carter, Jun 29, 2015
    decarbing in the alcohol is a bad idea, the decarbing temps would boil off your alcohol. Ethanol only has a boiling point of 176F.
     
  3. #3 nevrmindedness, Jun 29, 2015
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    I was hesitant to answer this when i first read it lol, you seem like youve done your research. Which i *highly* commend you for.
    Jimmy carter is right, and idk how the jar of alcohol method would work, covered or not...
    I have heard of tincture recipes which involve putting the bud (or kief) right in the alcohol without decarboxylating first, or heating. Just let the mixture sit in a dark, cold place for a long time (30+ days). This is the traditional tincture recipe that rastas have used for hundreds of years in jamaica, although they dry their ganja in the hot tropical sun, so maybe that's what they use for decarb. (And i hear their 'ganja' is dog shit, they just go for quantity... Just what i've heard...)
    I couldn't find any (quick) info on whether or not alcohol alone will decarboxylate thc, although it makes sense in theory as anything exposed to high proof alcohol for a long time becomes dehydrated, and he carboxyl group is essentially water and a carbon molecule. But that is just my half baked theory, backed by a tiny bit of questionable rastafarian knowledge lol.
    One thing though too - if you sous vide a high proof alcohol mixture, no matter what kind of container you use be careful, and do some research about it first. That sounds very sketchy lol. Sorry i wasnt more of a help but im watching this thread closely and i'll do more research when i can on the subject, i want answers too.
    Also, i know you've probably seen Psychedelic Sam's 'Another Tincture Thread' in the stickies... And i know it's retardedly long. But if you run into a brick wall during research, i know they talked about decarb methods there, and generally how to make bomb ass tinctures. Checkit out for sure. Especially if youre bored or frustrated.
     
  4. #4 mrsilly, Jun 30, 2015
    Use a pizza stone durning decarb. It will help keep the temp stable. Buy an inexpensive oven thermometer and check the temps in your oven. Before you put your material in.

    Decarb your hash for less time if you want more cerebral effects. 15-30 min @ 220f. I use a minimum of 4 grams bud per oz of 190. The math 1 gram of good Kief = 3,5 g Kief. With Kief you can make this very strong. I like to mix different length decarb so some Kief with no decarb, some with 20 min some with 30. See how much you can stuff in there and let us know how it goes?

    1 cup 190 freezer over night
    12 grams of hash would = 42 grams bud freeze over night.
    Combine in the morning shake 5min
    Back in freezer wait for 4hrs better over night shake 5min. We store it in the freezer and shake it when ever we think about it. We always have plenty on hand and don't have to rush to use it. We put it in one oz amber Boston dropper bottles. One dropped full is about 12th of a gram. If that isn't strong enough use more enjoy.
     
  5. #5 A guy, Jun 30, 2015
    Thank you for your input. So what is the point of the freezer, do you know? I've read it in other recipes but never with explanation and I'm guessing usually folks are just repeating what they read elsewhere.


    So far I'm experimenting with (no kief) mixing coconut oil and everclear in about 50/50 to see if there is separation (I'm guessing there will be). If there is separation, I'm going to squirt a couple of capsules of lecithin to see if it emulsifies it. I've read that THC and other cannibinoids are absorbed in both alcohol and oil so I thought both might provide a broader spectrum of absorption and I'd like a thicker substance than just alcohol anyway.


    I did find a recipe that calls for decarbing in alcohol (heating alcohol) but I think I'll try for the oven method if I can find an ovensafe container that's airtight. I'd then pour in the liquid and shake it to get any re-condensed materials from the inside after cooling the kief/container.


    I need to find a chemist to ask questions. Too many stoners with hairbrained ideas. Not the fault of the cannabis, it'd be the same asking everyone on the web how to brew beer (if beer hadn't been thoroughly studied...like cannabis isn't). Lots of conflicting theories out there.
     
  6. #6 nevrmindedness, Jul 1, 2015
    Freezing helps the liposome encapsulation process which makes thc more bioavailable.
    But im just a stoner (with some hairbrained ideas) so i'll leave you alone, sorry for wasting your time lol
     
  7. #7 mrsilly, Jul 2, 2015
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    It makes the trichomes brittle so that easily break open spill their guts I have given you a perfectly usable recipe for green dragon you should try it. Then you can do a transfer into any oil of choice
    You are way overthinking things
     

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