christian faith is illogical

I like most of your post, but eating breakfast would be a goal. Not a purpose. I see the meaning of like to be a prime factor issue rather than single opinion, but this would be a new topic.
Growing you faith == increasing your hope. Hope is necessary for survival. You can get your hope from organized religion or else. Some latch on to books of magical gods, others cant and find their own sources of "I should get out of bed today"
What ever your decision on where it comes from, faith is knowing you can choreograph your own future.

 

A goal? It's an essential part of life. Much like a plant needs sun and will stretch to it, humans are the same - they will 'drive' towards food.


Agree with the rest, bang on the money.


I would ask this question - can a reasoned person have faith in an eternal being? There is no logic to believing in God, but there may indeed be some logic in having faith in something (even if it's in the santa) - if that is what drives a person. In fact of course faith drives people, hence why we have so many wars.

 

Some views of the greats:


"Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe." Voltaire. Overrated philosopher imho.



Christian morality (so called) has all the characters of a reaction; it is, in great part, a protest against Paganism. Its ideal is negative rather than positive; passive rather than action; innocence rather than Nobleness; Abstinence from Evil, rather than energetic Pursuit of Good: in its precepts (as has been well said) "thou shalt not" predominates unduly over "thou shalt."<br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: large; line-height: normal; background-color: rgb(254, 250, 240);">-- John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (1859)

 

Me too. Except not so much internal contridictions as outward condemnation. American christians should be trying more to help than to hate.

 

Edit: didnt know the last one posted right. Some of the stuff is doubled, but it might have been a new tangent entirely. Im not sure. Lemme read my last post and everything in between.


Eating breakfast would probably be a goal, not a purpose. Dogs and cats may have their own system of answers, and faith in those answers, You cant be born brainwashed, but at birth, you dont know jack. So you set out for answers.
Gods are created for those that dont want to look very hard. The right answers aren't required to push on, but faith in the answers you accept(religion or your own findings) takes you anywhere you want to go.
So in my perspective, it doesn't matter who has the wrong instruction book, the same thing happens in the end. Whatever that may be.

 

But eating isnt a purpose. Eating is a necessity for energy based on human design. The reason you fill yourself with energy is your purpose. Not your job. You have no faith in your job, what will the job help you do in the longrun. Christianity might not be the right longrun, but its as right as any of ours. Christian faith is still faith

 

The faith in the bible is illogical for sure but Jesus the Christ supposedly dictated books in the 70's that sets the record straight about what he meant.. realize that back then he had to speak to a certain culture on a certain level but in the previous century the ppl were ready to hear it straight...


at least some of them... now i don't know or care if JC actually was the Spirit who dictated these books called A Course in Miracles or if it was Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck.... if you have any level of awakening from the dream in your consciousness you will recognize it is the Truth...


involves no rules or meetings, no church and all books are online absolutely free along with the daily lessons... just google acim lessons... no need to give an email address, none of that BS, no salesperson will call... //static.grscty.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rave-girl.gifit's all on youtube in audio too for those who don't like to read as well as several students reading and commenting on the daily lessons...

 

Accordingly, we may define the nature of saving faith thus:
Saving faith is a gift from God, a subjective, spiritual grace, whereby a
sinner, having been convinced of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment by the
Holy Spirit, flees to Christ for all of salvation and eternal life. Saving
faith is based on the revelation of God in the Gospel -- His promise to save
sinners, freely give them all the benefits and blessings of eternal life, and
fully entitle them to all of heaven based on the righteousness and holiness of
Christ and the non-imputation of sin (Rom.
1:16-17; 4:6-8). Saving faith, therefore, inspires
confidence in Christ, pleads His merits alone as the only ground of
the whole of salvation, and results in repentance of dead works done in service
to an idol and of ever having any confidence in anything else but the merits of
God-Man transferred to my person for my total ground of all acceptance before a
holy God.



Saving faith is a firm persuasion and confident expectation that God will perform all
that he has promised to us in Christ. Faith demonstrates to the eye of the mind
the reality of those things that cannot be discerned by the eye of the body.



Read 11:2. Here's an important key to our understanding vv.
4-40 and the many examples of saving faith the apostle will rehearse therein:
By faith, that is to say, BASED ON THE CERTAINTY OF SALVATION ACCORDING TO
GOD'S PROMISE (as we defined it by the Gospel earlier), these “elders” (same as
“the fathers” in 1:1) were thus motivated to serve the Lord in every area of
life, which service, as it flowed from justifying faith, was well pleasing
before and fruit unto God. Their strength to endure against all opposition, and
their encouragement to abide in the Gospel, was grounded upon this dogmatic conviction
and sure confidence.


Moreover, we notice the phrase, “we understand” in v. 3. Faith is an act of the moral
intelligence. Faith that does not understand is no more than mysticism or
superstition. Any religious belief which demonstrates a person as either
ignorant of or not submitted to the righteousness of Christ revealed in God's
Gospel, does not glorify God or exalt Christ, and is not saving, not
justifying, and no better than the faith of devils. The apostle is asserting
here that objective revelation brings
subjective understanding.

 

I don't think anyone would send someone to hell just because they can't speak their repentance... certainly not God. Besides real repentance is done in the heart, no need for words, God knows what's on your heart. Lots of people only pay lip service anyway, God knows them too.

Killing people because you think you're ugly isn't going to make anything better. And yes, God gave us free will... but that doesn't mean it's God's fault when we choose to sin. Part of the gift/curse of free will is that we are free to walk away from God...

It would be silly for God to test or tempt us as God already knows what we'll decide. God wants to have a relationship with us as God's children... and like a good parent, God wants us to be happy and prosper. God would not tempt us to suffer.

God does not reward or punish either. You can't buy a stairway to Heaven. You cannot please God through works, but by faith/love... by being happy as God's child just as a good parent only wants their child to be happy. And God does not punish for sins God knew we'd commit. Our sins are punishment enough.

No one is perfect... well, maybe that one dude... but everyone has their own suffering whether they show it or not... and adding to it isn't going to make it better, that's why God desires mercy not sacrifice, that we have compassion and Love for each other.

God didn't make us to suffer, God made us to be Loved. So God would not put us in a situation that we cannot handle...

And IME it's by Faith alone that we can handle anything... and that, to me, seems very logical.

 

I love these people who speak for 'the word' you must always capitalize as god.

Alls we can agree on is we are created and destroyed in a dance of the stars, we live with creatures and trees we opened our eyes and will close them one day.

Christianity for me was disssolved in my brain after watching zeitgeist and considering the close relationships christianity has with other religions. Its like upgrading to windows 3.11 from DOS. Religion is a program that runs people.

I just dont like the fear and coercion part of Christianity, mastutbate and burn in the fires of hell !! I dont like that muslim women and their children suffer from vitamin d deficiencies because to show your divinity to god you walk around in sheets. These are man rules to keep women in submission.

Ive said my bit, these topics equally furiate as interest me because you cant prove godbelivers wrong but things get a little unicorned when you speak of relationships with an illussion. There is a reason why little children have make believe friends, its eases the pain of facing life alone by creating whatever 'relationship' you want to have -that gives you fuzzy feelings at night when infact it is likely built up in the persons EGO. Thats my take on the reltionship thing because ive heard many thumpers use this term to justify THEIR rational in a sense to seem different from 'other' believers in the same faith.

 

Damn good point about vitamin D, I hadn't thought of that. At least let them wear fishnets!

 

God=Light=Love=Faith=Hope=ChristBuddha=Zen=Nirvana=Enlightenment=Tao=Truth...

I'm sure by now you know one of those words to be true... and much more than words.

I agree, we live in Paradise... a perfect Goldie locks ball of stardust and Grace.

But no offense, Zeitgeist, very entertaining, but not much more than inaccurate fear mongering propaganda... even the producers said they were just doing a social experiment to fuck with people lolz seriously look into it more. But anyway...

Religion and society is the system/Samsara... God is the ultimate mind hack of Love... a skip all the bullshit straight shot to Nirvana.

And there's absolutely nothing to fear because God loves you... by the testament of the stars that have literally aligned to create this paradise for us. Your Breath IS God's breath. We were all willed into existence by the Love of our parents haha that's why it's called making Love.

Ironically, it IS the ego that separates us from God... our will to be independent, to be too intellectual to admit Faith in things we already know are true.