The Anarchist Idea of Donation Programs - And How It Can Go Wrong

Yeah I saw this on the news this morning. I don't know about other countries, but in the US there are quite a few fake charities and charities with dubious operations. I always encourage people to do their research before donating to anything.

 

Think about how long they have been trying to cure cancer and how much money has gone toward that goal (40+ years and $90+billion)

I dont ever donate for cancer, if they havent found and suppressed solutions then i have little faith more time and money will help.

Cancer patients are profitable, why cure it when its making them so much money?

 

Better early detection technology and improved treatments would also be profitable, which is probably the most we could hope for when it comes to cancer, at least for the foreseeable future.

 

it doesn't matter.

The point is freedom.

You can try to defend taxes all.you want but at the eend of the day its still involuntary theft and therefore amoral making anything.you say moot

-yuri

 

Precisely. We already have the cure for cancer and it can be made for damn near free but it is illegal because the establishment would lose money. There is no money to be made in curing people but billions to be made off of keeping them sick.

100% truth. Unfortunately, too many people are indoctrinated and are literally incapable of even considering a society without theft.

 

Exactly. This isn't even a subjective argument.

Its an objective fact that taxes are theft and its an objective fact that the majority of society agrees theft should be illegal.

People are just so far gone, like how people tried to defend slavery before we abolished it.

-yuri

 

Comparing an issue to slavery. Always a solid rhetorical device to cause guilt by association so you don't have to validate your position.

 

It is a perfect comparison. The slaves were not free to just walk away from their masters and many people actually defended slavery. Same thing here. people are not free to just walk away from taxes. Taxes are collected by force yet the vast majority of the population still defends it.

 

Are you kidding me, haha? Yes paying taxes is comparable to being forced to do 18 hours of hard labor, with no pay, respect, or basic human liberties. Do you guys even listen to the shit you spew? I'm all for being critical of the government, but comparing taxes to slavery is bullshit and if you can't see that I don't know what to say to you. Enjoy your hyperboles, and when you guys want to have an actual discussion let me know.

 

So because it's not quite as bad as actual slavery we should just accept it? By that logic we have no right to complain about the government whatsoever simply because they are not rounding ass up like Nazi Germany, yet.

 

When one person or a group of people force another person or another group of people to labor while they seize the product of that labor, then it can be legitimately compared to slavery. And there are circumstances that can make our tax and welfare system exactly so. If you collect government checks paid for by the sweat of others or want to have more money or benefits collected from other people then it is tantamount to endorsing something that is, arguably, a type of slavery.

 

Thats not at all what I said, so I apologize if maybe I wasn't clear. I'm all for disagreeing in a reasonable manner. Saying taxes are inefficient and can be better spent is perfectly valid and I'm open to that discussion. What I'm not open to is hyperbolic comparisons that aren't based in reality.

I'm not saying we should just accept it cause it's not as bad as slavery. I'm just saying that you shouldn't make hyperbolic comparisons between taxes and slavery, because you surely realize that slavery was significantly worse than taxation. I'm sure any slave would trade places with you right now and be pretty happy which is why the comparison is in appropriate.

I don't want you to stop believing in your side. I just want you to go about talking in a reasonable manner that isn't completely hyperbolic so we can have an actual discussion instead of you guys just sticking your head in the sand and saying tax is theft or modern slavery.

 

Even if taxation was 100% efficient and not a cent was wasted or went to corruption it is still theft. They are forcing me to give up part of the profit of my labor against my will and if I do not pay there will be violent consequences. Theft is theft no matter who is doing it, what the intent is, what might be given back or how many people agree.

I am sure that you personally would never stick a gun in my face take some of my money and give it to someone else who needs it more than I do yet you endorse a system where another group of people can do exactly that.

 

Native - both are stealing peoples time, that is the point, not that its equally severe.

 

Taxation for everything except means-tested welfare seems like a necessity since we all benefit greatly from the infrastructure, defense, dispute mechanisms, etc., I would like it a lot more if we had a system that was ala carte, where you only pay for the services you use. Military and federal payrolls would be shared by everyone. What seems most similar to slavery is when we use our tax system to engage in wealth redistribution activities. It allows politicians to pander to voters by promising to take money from other people to give them goods and services they want to have for "free". Those who desire money, housing, medicine, cell phones, groceries, etc., given to them by the government are our modern day slave masters or at least the slavemaster wannabes. They want the product of other people's labor and not by way of free exchange but by threat of force.and law.


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"taxes" can exist in voluntary society.

There is absolutely no reason society can't incentivize voluntary taxes.

For example, paying taxes should be more like a subscription. You voluntarily pay for the right to use public services like libraries Parks and wotnot.

Everyone would benefit from basic tax funded stuff like police and roads, but people who don't pay taxes can be revoked access to non essential services like going to national Parks.

Further more the government could easily fund itself legitimately like any other service provider (which is all government is), by selling legitimate services. For example, libraries.

Basically if something like schools and roads are essential to society, there is no reason society itself can't find a way to make funding such things voluntary.

After all, private property still has roads. How did they get roads?

-yuri

 

Money is always going to be required to support society (as long as markets are relevant), its just that current tax systems are monopolized and too much money goes towards things that common people don't have much (if any) control over. My solution is to demolish the IRS.
 
Ideally I view taxation as being a donate/reward system that is governed by labor organizations or insurance companies, at as decentralized a level as possible.