Fasciation?

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by BirchPlease, May 15, 2015.

  1. I've been keeping an eye on something strange happening with my Medusa female that flipped to 12/12 a week ago, and I was wondering if anyone here has seen this before. From a few of the upper nodes on the main stem, there are multiple branches growing out of single nodes.

    So there's the normal branch growing out of the stem at the node, then around that more new branches forming. They're coming out of the stem itself and from the center split in the fan leaf petiole under the regular normal branch. In some places it's only one bonus branch, in others it's as many as 4 on just one side.

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    I did a Google search and landed at ICM learning about fasciation. Is that what this is? Or is this something else? The stem isn't flat like what seems to usually happen in fasciation.

    The general consensus on fasciation seems to be that it's not a good trait. If that's the case, and that's what this is, then I may be in a pickle since my second Medusa female is starting to show this tendency as well. It SEEMS like it'd be a good thing...mo' budsites mo' better, right?

    Fasciation or not, good or bad, I'm keeping them both. Nothing else is ready to flower yet, and I'm not willing to give up this entire crop to a genetic anomaly. Though I may rethink using these as breeding stock depending on what y'all think.
     
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  2. That's some crazy shit!  I've never seen anything like it...
     
    Perhaps the cultivar as aptly named?
     


  3. That was my thought lol. Funny though that Nirvana makes no mention of it in the description, but both females are doing it to some degree.
     
  4. #4 BirchPlease, May 16, 2015
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    So I found this thread with a similar issue. This one is even a little more extreme than mine as far as how far out on the petiole the mutant branches are popping up. Makes me think its not fasciation.
     
  5. Isn't fasciation associated more with meristematic growth, as opposed to "secondary branching"?
     
    This is really interesting...
     
    I'm not sure if it's on my end, but your link isn't working for me.  [​IMG]
     
  6. Try it now, bad BB code
     
  7. #7 waktoo, May 16, 2015
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    Thanks.  It's working now.
     
    Gonna' give it a look see...
     
  8. And yeah, from what I read fasciation seems to be more meristem-related than what I'm seeing.

    I did find this very brief mention of a similar description:

    From Afghanistan, another example has been observed with several small floral clusters along the petioles of many of the large primary leaves.

    It was in this cannabis botany guide. And that's literally all they said about it.
     
  9. #9 waktoo, May 16, 2015
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    Fasciation or not it's probably genetic, or we'd see it more frequently, no?  And rare genetics, at that.  If memory serves, I believe I remember seeing ONE other example of this on the GC boards, and not too long ago.  I'll try to hunt it down at some point...
     
    IDK, it's cool as hell!  I'd take a few cuts anyway.  Breeding material?  Who knows?  Grow/cure/sample is the only way to know.  You may have something really special there...
     
    Did you get any males (hacked already?)?  Or were they all fem'?
     
    I'd definitely be training those ladies sideways, if you have the space.  Those particular pheno's with that grow morphology would make great plants for use in a SOG/SCROG (whatever they're calling it these days) setup.
     
    I'm all jelly.  I'd love to dedicate some space for a plant like that...
     
  10. #10 Kesey, May 16, 2015
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    I've seen this more than once, as recent as last night on a new sensi star bean...intriguing stuff, I always chalked it up to a mutation or a result of stress through training and neither good nor bad. Do please share any further research, I'd love to know why [​IMG]
     
    12 Leaf holy grail bean going atm too...LOL
     
  11. It's indeed a beauty, if for nothing more than a curiosity if it turns out bunk buds. But yes, clones taken and yes, pollen saved from a lovely male specimen (although he didn't show this trait) Check and check. I'm kind of excited to see this one through.
     
  12.  
    For science!
     
    [​IMG]
     
  13. I was told this was whorled phyllotaxy. I also have one that has three instead of two branches per node. Same genetics. Different mutations. ImageUploadedByGrasscity Forum1431820737.405235.jpg

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  14. a hashberry i popped on 4/20 is also showing a 3 leaf pattern.
     
    at one week
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    today
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    can i join the club? [​IMG]
     
     
     
  15. Nah, I've had whorled phyllotaxy before.  Usually that starts from the very beginning (like Scooby's) and is consistent the whole time, three fan leaves and three branches from every node.  
     
    This is way more random and didn't start until the plant had been flipped to 12/12.  Branches are growing out of wherever they feel like it, including the leaf petioles, and they're coming in way after the actual branches for that node have been established.  
     
    Wak - I should have trained this one, but I think I'm just gonna let it christmas tree.   I may tie the other one over today and see what happens, though.  
     
  16. Wow! Now that's pretty weird. If you continue to bloom her, please post some pics :)
     
  17. That's wild.  It's not fasciation.  That it kicked on when you put the plant under 12/12 lighting, makes me think of plants which switch over to closer spaced nodes with single branches during flower.  Should give you a bushy plant with lots of flowering points.  Definitely try and hang on to those genetics.  This trait might prove very useful.
     
  18.  
    FWIW, I've bent plants over well after flowering was initiated.  No circular "training" involved like normal LST.  Just plain bent over.  I did this with two plants, and used a bamboo stake in each pot to support/attach (with "gardening wire") the top of the other bent over plant.  It does take up more floor space, but is very effective. 
     
    Does that make sense?
     
  19. how much kelp do you have in the soil?
     
  20. 2 cups in 1.5 c.f. of dirt, but I've also done a couple of alfalfa/kelp teas while it was vegging. Maybe two during veg?
     

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