Mini-Me F D Reveg Under LEDs

Discussion in 'Growing Marijuana Indoors' started by Peflora, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. #1 Peflora, Apr 23, 2015
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    I recently harvested 2 plants, one is from seeds I made from Med-Man Silver Skunk BX1, the other is seeds I made from a polycross of WH x WW x G13, pollinated with G13. I named her MidNight Rider
     
    The Skunk smells like skunk. MidNight Rider smells like fresh peeled orange, she was harvested on 4/20.
     
    They are both in the same tent to reveg, by the time they are ready to flip they will need to move to different tents as they have have different nutes and spectrum needs.
     
    The Skunk is on the right and has been in reveg for ~ 2 weeks. There are a few leafs beginning to show. I left a bunch of small buds on MR as she had no separate leafs
     
    I am using an Amare Technologies Solar Spec 260, which is 260 actual watts. Amare is a grower who developed a line of led panels for cannabis growers. I am now on my 3rd grow using them
     
    My DIY Mini-Me F & D is supercharged with flooming into glass marbles 24/7, plus 2 large air stones
     
    Note the feed tube on the left side passes through large magnets which are forced together in repel,<span style="color:rgb(0,0,205);"> and <span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,205);">nuts</span>. This creates an energy field that the nutes pass through into and back to the rez.</span> It is supposed to amplify the nutrients potential</span>. Been using it for a few years now
     
    I have neodymium magnets on order which are smaller and more powerful

     

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  2. Subb'd into this one. Re veg is new to me so I'll be interested to watch things progress.
     
  3. Subbed on board for another great ride!
     
  4. I hope so. I was successful reveging BM last go round. This BM is showing leaf bumps. MR suffered some shock as the root ball separated from the various smaller net pots
     
  5. #5 Peflora, Apr 25, 2015
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    I installed 2 sets of neodymium magnets, one on each feeder tube
     
    I also added the other SS 150 over the small clones left in another tent
     
    Be interesting to see what impact doubling the watts can have at this stage
     
    They've been plumping up nicely under one SS 150
     
  6. #6 Peflora, Apr 26, 2015
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    A couple pics of the runt buds. This is what can happen when preoccupied by 2 other tents. Still, they are fat and will reward. They are now under a SS300
     
    Note the high performance dual magnet feeder tube set up, combined with a vortexing where nutes flow through glass marbles, thereby charging the rez. Each nut has an opposing neodymium magnet on each side, creating a ~ 1" wide force field. I could use one set up placed on the riser tube, but it would be below the lid.
     
    The plant on the right has started showing one new leaf.
     
    Yesterday, I decided to trim away a bunch of roots that had filled the bottom of the tote on the right. This might slow new growth for a few days
     
    Vrooom Vroommm
     
    Hoping for a big payoff, though it may mostly be in the quality
     
    FYI here's a YT video reciting Dr Walter Russell letter written in 1953. I had the unique piveledge of staying in the guest house at his home some 40 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EohHnpuqyK0
     

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  7. #7 Peflora, Apr 27, 2015
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    Wow do I feel stupid [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
    Instead of putting the magnets on each feeder line, which means the only time any potential benefit occurs is when the nutes pass into and out of the totes.
     
    AS I run 2 pumps in my rez already, it occurred to me to move one setup on the recirculating tube so that the nutes are being energized 24/7, [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
    This frees up the second mag set for the small plants finishing in another tent, though it will be on just the feeder tube, unless I add a recir pump there too.
     
    Yep had another pump and all the tubing and fittings on hand. Be interesting to see what effect it might have on bud volume
     
  8. Not seeing development of what a few days ago appeared to be new leaf buds on the plant on the right, I decided to investigate
     
    This plant was started using a much older method of starting in a small net pot, then bigger, then bigger, and finally placed in a cut down 4 liter Air Pot. This is common practice for soil, but may not be necessary in F & D
     
    This worked fine when I was top feeding, but now that I flood from below, the entire root system was not getting the same benefit. This due to using a 2.5G rez that is now feeding 2 totes, meaning it has been getting half the nutes= not going up high enough in the root ball= stalled regrowth.
     
    I just took the Air Pot apart and removed the rocks below the bottom net pot, in effect lowering the root mass ~ 2" into the nutes when it floods. easier to do then to write.
     
    Hoping this kick starts reveg.
     
  9. I would be lost trying to figure that out haha. I hope this helps out.
     
  10. #10 Peflora, Apr 28, 2015
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    LOL.
     
    Experimenting is not without a few draw backs, but now I have figured out how to simplify it
     
    Initially, I was putting a bunch of seedlings in one tote, which required small net pots, but lots of standing water= algae= which held back seedling growth - that's the few small ones that are finishing now
     
    The next evolution was to run smaller, but double totes. Also the volume of the totes needs to be considered, as they relate to the volume of the rez. No math required, but would be helpful to avoid trial and error. My old physics professor would say just get in the ball park
     
    Now I use small totes and 6" net pots, which eliminates 2 net pots
     
    Height of tote position must also be factored in relation to the rez, so the nutes fully drain back.
     
    I intentionally put the bulk heads on the side instead of the bottom, thinking I could tilt them and completely drain. That did not work as planned. Standing water under lights means algae, which means more work to clean every week, as well as a negative affect algae has on root health
     
    Being a frugal experimenter, instead of building stands, I placed the totes on larger totes that I had. They were just about the right size, for drainage, but did not allow me to put the bulk heads on the bottom
     
    The simple solution is to build a wooden frame using either 1 x 4 or 2 x 4s that the F & D totes sit on with bulk heads underneath. Easy Peazy
     
    Another important factor is tent height. Amare Technologies panels are designed to grow shorter plants (in 3 grows pants are easily a foot shorter, but much fuller), but must be kept ~ 30" above in veg and ~ 20" during flower. So ~ 6ft tall tents are needed to pull it all together
     
    Stay tuned
     
  11. That helps out a bit, especially for the day I decide to try a non-soil medium. Trial and error sure shows you what's best/worst for your own scenarios. Good information!
     
  12. #12 Peflora, Apr 30, 2015
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    Some good news.
     
    MR (on the left) has new leafs, as well as pistils.
     
    BM (on the right) still in stasis, BUT, one of the leafs that began to die after I cut back the roots has some bright green
     
    Pics by Sunday
     
  13. Damn. Maybe it's the new neodymium magnets, but both plants are showing signs of new life
     
    Also added a set to the small finishing plants. Took them out today to trim dieing leafs and to clean a bit of algae from tote and roots
     
    They look healthy and fairly fat for their small size
     
  14. #14 Peflora, May 2, 2015
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    Exciting to see BM reveg (on the right) is finally showing new growth. MR (MidNight Rider) on the left has been showing new leaf AND pistils for over a week
     
    It does make sense that the neodymium magnets are more powerful although much smaller in size than the iron magnets, and that difference kick-started BM
     
    The 4 Sat plants plants finishing in the other tent under 2 SS 150s are fattening up nicely. I turned off the white on one panel to increase the red percentage
     

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  15. 2 days ago I cut the hours back from 14 to 12, and turned off the reds on the SS 260 (it still has some red in veg mode), hoping to bump leaf development which remains slow
     
    A humidifier would help too
     
  16. #16 Peflora, May 5, 2015
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    FYI, the magnets are very fragile
     
    I had a set for future use that were held together with the spacer between to easy separation
     
    They fell to the floor and one cracked in half
     
    I modified the marble container inside the funnel circulating the reveg nutes. This is how I use them for my cooking/drinking water
     
    Now using a cylindrical plastic bottle which effectively makes the nutes travel farther = more energy/chi developing
     
    The funnel is only acting to stabilize the apparatus
     
  17. #17 Peflora, May 7, 2015
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    If it was not for MidNightRider revegging nicely,  I would have pulled BigMex, as she is taking far too long to reveg- just portions of 2 leafs remain green and one tiny bud in the background.
     
    I am curious to see whether she comes on strong or remains a dud. I have revegged this strain before to excellent results, so ???????????
     
    I could easily have a plant ready to flower at this point
     
    I haven't even been able to properly sample MNR as I have had a nasty head cold for a week
     
    The 4 small MNR clones (sats) are loving more light than 150w. Note the lush green top leafs
     

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  18. #18 Peflora, May 10, 2015
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    The reveg is interesting in that the MNR (left), which was put into reveg ~ 17 days later than BM (right) has taken off, but BM remains barely alive.

    They are both being fed from the same rez, under the same SS 260

    Noting that BM had not pushed out new leafs when revegging MNR 17 days later, it occurred to me that I should have left more leafs/buds on BM, and did so on MNR

     

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  19. The reason for reveg: Did you forget to take clones of some great bud? Or not enough space to keep a few moms? It is the only reason I can find to do this. They are in fact good reasons, but I was just curious.
     
    The whole magnet thing.. I don't buy into the whole thing (sounds like "bro science"), but I am not against trying new ideas. I hope it works. Is your pump sitting in your reservoir? Would you pump provide enough of a magnetic field? The electro magnetics in even a small pond pump will be pretty strong once energized (pump turned on).
     
    Best of luck,
     
    R.
     
  20. Always likes me a reveg. Subbed!
     

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