Police cant extend traffic stop awaiting drug dog

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  1. \tJustices: Police can't extend traffic stop awaiting drug dog http://news.yahoo.com/justices-police-cant-extend-traffic-stop-awaiting-drug-142805661.html
     
    WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court said Tuesday that police may not extend an ordinary traffic stop to seek evidence of crimes unrelated to the offense that prompted officers to pull a vehicle over.
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    </div>The justices voted 6-3 in favor of a driver who was found to have methamphetamine in his car. Dennys Rodriguez was issued a warning for driving on the shoulder of a Nebraska highway and then made to wait less than 10 minutes for officers to walk a drug-sniffing dog around the car. The dog alerted and a search of the vehicle turned up the drugs.
     
    But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said in her majority opinion that prolonging the traffic stop beyond the time needed to deal with the initial offense was improper, even if only for a few minutes.
     
    Police may typically inspect a driver's license, ask for the registration and proof of insurance and check for outstanding warrants because they all are aimed at ensuring that vehicles are operated safely, Ginsburg said.
     
    "A dog sniff, unlike those stock inquiries, lacks the same tie to roadway safety," she said.
     
    Ginsburg also swatted away arguments that the total duration of the stop was reasonable.
     
    The precise amount of time involved is unimportant, she said. "A traffic stop becomes unlawful if prolonged beyond the time in fact needed to complete all traffic-based inquiries," Ginsburg said.
    Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas dissented.
     
    Rodriguez won at the Supreme Court on Tuesday, but he may not be free of legal trouble. It is possible that the police had a reasonable basis, independent of the traffic stop, to suspect that Rodriguez was engaged in drug dealing, Ginsburg said. Lower courts now will consider that issue.
     
    Alito called Tuesday's decision "unnecessary, impractical and arbitrary" because the officer did have reasonable suspicion that the car contained drugs.
     
    The case is Rodriguez v. U.S., 13-9972. [​IMG]
     
     
     
     
    Granny
     
  2. I would focus on that last sentence. There's a large grey area in favor of the officers as to "reasonable suspicion" that a vehicle cantains illegal drugs. Which seems to me like thay could hold a person to verify if in fact drugs are in the vehicle with the k-9 unit.
     
  3. Hon, every step in the right direction, is a good thing. 
     
    This forces a lower court to look at what actually constitutes "reasonable suspicion", which right now is a bit more than a "grey area"- it's more like a black hole! Is having a couple hundred dollars in your wallet "reasonable suspicion"? Is "driving while black" "reasonable suspicion"?  Is being under 25 "reasonable suspicion"?  Is driving a rental car or having a license from certain states, "reasonable suspicion"? This should give us a clearer definition, if nothing else.
     
  4. As long as "I smell weed" is probable cause, nothing else really matters.
     
  5. That quote is from Alito's dissent though. Its not controlling law.
     
  6. #6 Green Wizard, Apr 22, 2015
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    He states that this ruling is "unnecessary, impractical, and arbitary", based off of, and I'm not 100% sure on this, that an officer under "reasonable suspicion" that illegal drugs are in the vehicle, can legally hold you until the k-9 unit shows up.
     
    He's saying this ruling changes nothing.
     
     
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nf4DhXy9oU
     
  7. ^^this I just recently got screwed by it after being pulled over for matching the description of someone they were looking for, which I believe is total bs
     
  8. Yep. There is just too much slack here for cops to do what they want, and this ruling doesn't mean shit. I believe the justices actually believe it is a bigger step forward than it is, so I don't blame them. But all they have to do is say "I smell weed" and they can hold you indefinitely until a dog gets there. That is the rule that needs to be changed. Smell can't be quantified, so it shouldn't be admissible.
     
  9. Totally agree with you
     

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