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Loving high CBD strain

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by RainbowHappines, Apr 21, 2015.

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  1. #1 RainbowHappines, Apr 21, 2015
    So I haven't toked in 5+ years because I was having super super bad reactions after a year of smoking regular medical stuff. Whelp, a friend helped me find a super low THC strain, it's 0.7%! I didn't even know about the high CBDs, or what those even were, but researching it it looks like it could be really helpful for several of my painful and chronic conditions.
     
    I'm super happy I was able to find a type/strain that works for me, and thought I'd share. I know the last post I posted here- before my many year haitus- was talking about my bad reaction and others had said that they were looking for answers for similar reactions that they had from smoking as well. (For me was massive nerve pain after smoking was one of them, chest pain, super high heart rate, then the last two times getting insanely scary high to the point of terror even thought it was the same stuff I had handled well months before.)

    The strain I'm loving right now is Sour Tsunami, which is 0.7% THC and 15.90% CBD.
    For anyone who lives in WA around the Kitsap County area, Hwy 420 (recreation store) in Bremerton carries it, and also at leat one other high CBD strain, with higher THC.
    I was really happy to find it in a rec store so I could try it and see how things went without having to put down the money for the medical card. So far it is helping with my medical issues, which is great!
     
    Anyway, I hope maybe me posting helps someone else :)

     
  2. #2 Shmoove Crimnal, Apr 25, 2015
    That's great to hear.. I'm also looking into a CBD strain for my next grow.

    What differences do you feel after smoking the CBD strain?
     
  3. #3 RainbowHappines, Apr 28, 2015
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    Well the biggest difference for me is lack of muscle spasms for a few days after, which has been a huge issue lately. I'm actually in physical therapy for it (going on 5 months) and can't even walk up/down inclines without mad spasms!
    After the first time I toked with the stuff, despite a mad flare I had the day before smoking that really messed up the muscles, my physical therapist actually commented on how much better the muscles felt than usual! I smiled to myself but didn't say anything cause I'm not sure she'd approve, even though it's legal here [​IMG]

    I grind my teeth less at night too [​IMG] Less tension headaches as well (they're like migraines just caused by a different thing than migraines are). Also my bladder pain goes down for a few days after too (which is a HUGE deal, I have chronic pain there - painful bladder syndrome).
    It does well for pain relief, just not for nerve pain. No idea why that is, I've heard others say it's great for fibro, so maybe it's just a me thing.
     
    So I'd say it does really well as an antispasmodic for me, as an anti-inflammatory as well.
    I love that it doesn't make me sleepy either, cause I have narcolepsy and I don't need to be any more tired/sleepy [​IMG] When I toke I just feel really relaxed. I've read that it actually isn't good for sleep, which is fine with me. Just don't toke it for any sleep aid use.
     
    Just be aware that CBDs suppress the immune. Which is great if you have an autoimmune illness, but just something to be aware of.

    Here's a great piece on CBDs and the body's endocannabinoid system that I found that you should check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkzbjYG5H98&feature=youtu.be&t=42m13s
     
    (Edit: the part starts at 42m 13s, I had it linked to start there but the forum software just posted the video regularly.)
     
  4. #4 Shmoove Crimnal, May 3, 2015
    Thank-you Rainbow Happiness..

    Cheers
     
  5. #5 Monkey55, May 3, 2015
    I'm pretty sure that it doesn't suppress the immune system. It helps regulate the immune system. They misinterpreted the data when they first analyzed it. Fibro is autoimmune related. I think that they figured it suppressed the immune system because it helped. With autoimmune disorders, your immune system is over-active and/or attacks your body instead of the foreign invaders in your system. I think they just assumed that it suppressed the immune system because they prescribe drugs to suppress the immune system so that it doesn't attack the body, or anything for that matter.

    Now that the medical field is more open to the idea that cannabis has medical benefits, they are realizing they way they looked at marijuana was very limited, to say the least.

    E
     
  6. #6 RainbowHappines, May 3, 2015
    I hope that's the case, that would be incredible! Do you have any sources by chance? Looking into this myself (I have one verified, possibly 3 auto immune illnesses) and would love any links or anything related to that theory if you have any :)
     
  7. #7 Monkey55, May 3, 2015
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    Hey,

    I don't have any links because I wasn't planning on sending out links.
    I've read this a couple of times. You have to dig.

    Remeber, the government nor the medical field likes to admit that they were "wrong" and remember that these scientists may still be around influencing decisions.

    I must have found this in a medical journal. I really only read the data and conclusions of the journals. There's a lot of technical stuff in them I don't understand.

    If you search, you will find tons of evidence supporting the the school of thought that is suppresses immunity. They do know exactly what blockers is has. However, they made some big assumptions way back when as to what it all means.

    Remember, that too much of anything can be a bad thing.

    If it suppressed the immune system, all my lab test would reflect that. However, it doesn't.

    One of my doctors told me straight out, "A lot more people use cannabis than they admit," and if it was such a problem, there would be tons more ER cases of unexplained issues. This doctor is very conventional. He doesn't believe all of this "hype" about cannabis. However, he doesn't think it's all that harmful that the government had claimed.

    At one time, the government aloud cannabis to be used medically. Then, for whatever reason (long discussion) they deemed it bad without any medical benefits. Now, they are taking a step back and saying there "might" have medical uses. Meanwhile, other countries are ahead of research.

    I think Israel is on the cutting edge of research.

    There's going to be a lot of controversy around the subject until the stigma dissipates and we, as a collective, begin to change the way we approach integrating the holistic aspects of our nature environment.

    Wow. Did I just say all of that?

    E
    (For the record, there were no animals harmed during the creation of this post nor was it proof read. :) )
     
  8. #8 Monkey55, May 3, 2015
    Oh yeah. Remember that we are reading and following normal human beings on this subject and they: 1) Mistakes 2) Sometimes have a personal agenda 3) Can be influenced by outside people 4) and sometimes just regurgitate what they were told or read.

    We really should ignore the people that give absolutes and encourage those who are opened minded about the possibilities in the holistic properties of cannabis. Western medicine is in it's infancy. It's only been recently that we have begun to shift they way we think about the subject matter. There has been very limited research done because of the federal regulations. Once the laws have been changed, the doors will open wide to understanding and learning new possibilities as to how and why we can benefit from practices that have been used for thousands of years.

    Yikes. I better medicate to slow my brain down... ;)

    E
     
  9. #9 ajroxit, May 3, 2015
    you OP are why i love this forum. coming here to share your knowledge free of charge and expecting nothing but a smile in return!
    you are awesome and you rock!
    FUCK YEAH! [​IMG]
     
  10. #10 RainbowHappines, May 3, 2015
     
     
     
    Makes sense. I'll have to dig a little more and see what I can see :) Was more curious cause after a few weeks of toking I got a few fever blisters, which I haven't had in over 2 years :( In case you don't know they're triggered by lowered immunity, usually due to stress but other things that lower immunity can let them come up too. And too much sunlight without protection on the lips like an spf lip balm, but I haven't had much sun lately. So makes me wonder if the cannabis lowered my immune enough for them to rear their ugly heads :/
     
  11. #11 RainbowHappines, May 3, 2015
     ^_^ I love your avatar BTW! Fizzgig rawr! ;)
     
  12. #12 Storm Crow, May 3, 2015
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    Thank you for posting! May I offer you my collection of medical studies and articles? There is a very large section on the medical uses of cannabidiol that may interest you- here's just a small sample of what you can find-
     
    Therapeutical use of the cannabinoids in psychiatry         (full – 2010)
    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-44462010000500009&lng=en&nrm=iso&tlng=en
     
    Cannabidiol Displays Antiepileptiform and Antiseizure Properties In Vitro and In Vivo      (full - 2010)            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819831/?tool=pmcentrez
     
    Acute administration of cannabidiol in vivo suppresses ischaemia-induced cardiac arrhythmias and reduces infarct size when given at reperfusion.        (full – 2010)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936031/?tool=pubmed
     
    Antitumorigenic Effects of Cannabinoids beyond Apoptosis          (full - 2010)
    http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/332/2/336.full?sid=af53ea87-ab4b-426e-9c7e-8f750e9c4a17
     
    Cannabidiol Attenuates Cardiac Dysfunction, Oxidative Stress, Fibrosis, and Inflammatory and Cell Death Signaling Pathways in Diabetic Cardiomyopathy 
    (full - 2010)       http://www.natap.org/2010/newsUpdates/marijuana.pdf
     
    Cannabidiol inhibits cancer cell invasion via upregulation of tissue inhibitor of matrix metalloproteinases-1.        (abst - 2010)         http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19914218
     
    Multicenter, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, parallel-group study of the efficacy, safety, and tolerability of THC:CBD extract and THC extract in patients with intractable cancer-related pain.     (abst - 2010)    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19896326
     
    Treatment with cannabidiol reverses oxidative stress parameters, cognitive impairment and mortality in rats submitted to sepsis by cecal ligation and puncture.      (abst - 2010)   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20561509
     
    Anticonvulsant effects of GWP42006 in vitro and in vivo in rat        (abst - 2010)  (GWP42006 is a synthetic CBD)
    http://www.physoc.org/proceedings/abstract/Proc%20Physiol%20Soc%2019C117
     
    The neuroprotective effect of cannabidiol in an in vitro model of newborn hypoxic-ischemic brain damage in mice is mediated by CB(2) and adenosine receptors.
    (abst – 2010) http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/19900555/abstract/The_neuroprotective_effect_of_cannabidiol_in_an_in_vitro_model_of_newborn_hypoxic_ischemic_brain_damage_in_mice_is_mediated_by_CB_2__and_adenosine_receptors_
     
    Neural basis of anxiolytic effects of cannabidiol (CBD) in generalized social anxiety disorder: a preliminary report      (abst - 2010)          http://jop.sagepub.com/content/25/1/121
     
    Non-psychoactive cannabis to be unveiled at Annual National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics        (news - 2010)
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100409/Non-psychoactive-cannabis-to-be-unveiled-at-Annual-National-Clinical-Conference-on-Cannabis-Therapeutics.aspx
     
    Prescription Marijuana Without "Intoxicating" Effect in Research Stage      (news - 2010)
    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/health/Scientists-Aim-to-Make-Marijuana-Perscription-Drug-108736999.html
     
    Key ingredient staves off marijuana memory loss         (news - 2010)
    http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101001/full/news.2010.508.html?s=news_rss
     
    Science: Cannabidiol enhances the anti-cancer effects of THC on human brain cancer cells         (news – 2010)
     http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/bulletin/ww_en_db_cannabis_artikel.php?id=313#3
     
    Pot Compound Mitigates Diabetic Cardiomyopathy      (news - 2010)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=8424
     
    There were quite a few more links for 2010, but that's more than enough to give you an idea of what my List is like.  It goes on for over 2000 pages like that! [​IMG] To get yours, just PM me your email address, or you can check out the bottom of my sig for my email address.
     
    Hope to hear from you soon!
     
     
    Granny
     
  13. #13 whateverworks, May 4, 2015
    Hope this isn't too off topic.. but what would be a good cbd to thc ratio for someone that gets anxiety and has panic attacks while smoking? I know I want low thc but how much cbd and are there any autoflowers you all would recommend?

    You all are awesome!
     
  14. #14 Omega369, May 4, 2015
    What kind of bad reactions were you having from regular medical stuff (high thc).

    Reason I'm asking is because I semi-quit because I get bad anxiety during my high to the point where I can't function around people.


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  15. #15 RainbowHappines, May 4, 2015
    The bad reactions I was having was insane high anxiety -I actually called an ambulance on of one of my last tokes, I felt like I was having a heart attack- nerve pain (mostly in my arms), racing heartbeat, palpitations, dizziness.. not sure what else. I try not to remember.
    My last toke though I took a small hit and only held it like 5 seconds and I was so high I felt like I was going to go insane or die. I had a huge panic attack. I was terrified out of my mind for over an hour. I couldn't even talk, listen to music, or watch TV- I felt like the molecules of my body were going to vibrate apart. Most interesting thing is this it the very same stuff I had handled fine months before.
    That being said, from all the research I've done- for anxiety really low THC and high CBD are best if you have bad anxiety. The CBD actually helps counteract some of the psychoactive effects of the THC which is another reason it's good for people with high anxiety. As I said in my OP, the stuff I'm currently using is 0.7% thc and 15.9% cbd. I have an anxiety disorder (well several technically) and a few phobias anyways- and this stuff just relaxes me so well.
     
    I have another thread about the CBD concentrates I've found that you can look into. If you can't find a strain with higher CBD a lot of people will take the high CBD tincture before or after toking, to compliment it as they find fit. From what I read for high anxiety the CBD should be a lot higher than the THC. And the lower THC the better.
    A lot of people use the CBD tinctures for anxiety with success, and those are suuuuper duper high CBD and 0.2% thc or lower. For medical use like pain though they should be about equal to get the most benefits.

    I will update that other thread once I get my order in for the CBD tincture and let you guys know how it goes :)
     
     
     
     
     
  16. #16 Omega369, May 4, 2015
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    I'm thinking of order CBD oils (drops/spray) as it's extremely hard to find CBD strains here.

    What if you smoked a high CBD high THC strain? Do you think the CBD would calm the anxiety from the THC?

    What I'm planning on doing is taking CBD drops then smoking regular medical stuff (high thc) so hopefully I can have a normal relaxing high.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. #17 RainbowHappines, May 4, 2015
     
    In theory, yes. But not sure because I haven't tried it personally. Yeah, even in WA where it's legal it's hard to find high CBDs without a medical card. Kind of a bummer, but at least they're becoming more prevalent than they were years ago.
    A lot of people on fuckcombustion actually take the tinctures and make waxes/dabs/shatters out of them and vape that with good results. Others just take it when they toke and it even things out a lot better. That thread is located here if you want to check it out. (I read the whole thing haha :p)

    The vast majority of companies that sell the CBD concentrates are questionable at best it seems.. seems like the market is full of snake oil peddlers or shitty product pushers (even dangerous, with concentrated pesticides and heavy metals). I've done some serious digging, and the company I've decided to go with to try the CBD concentrates (Omega Labs) are on the thread of mine I linked previously, and also in the fuckcombustion thread I linked above in this post. They'll be selling again tomorrow (or today depending on your time zone ) So yeah! :)
     
     
  18. #18 whateverworks, May 4, 2015
    Would 6% thc be too high? I have the exact same symptoms from what you described. Horrible horrible feeling.. I used to be able to sit down and smoke 3 joints back to back and be fine. But now 3 hits 0uts me overboard. I am looking at a strain that is rated at 5.5% THC and 8%cbd. I'm not sure if that is enough cbd to counteract the thc
     
  19. #19 RainbowHappines, May 4, 2015
    I don't know, it really depends on the person. What I do to test things out is only take one hit and don't really hold it, then wait 10-15 minutes and see how I feel. If it feels okay, I take a hit or two more and actually hold them, then wait another 15 mins or so. If I feel fine after that it's usually okay. Just take it easy and listen to your body, but at the same time don't over think if at all possible ;)

    I also ask my husband before I try new stuff, make sure he's baby sitting me and doing damage control if I freak. For me that helps with my anxiety a lot, knowing I will have support if I need it. I would suggest the same for you- asking a significant other, friend, or family member that you trust. Someone that is familiar with dealing with a person with bad anxiety, and willing to commit to babysit when you experiment.

    As it is for me personally, I'm going to go through all my 0.7% stuff first then try a 7% (next lowest I can get at the moment). I wish I could help you out more, it certainly is a horrid horrid feeling when it's just too much! I hope those tips help you out :)
     
     
  20. #20 whateverworks, May 4, 2015
    I really appreciate the advice. I have a friend growing for me and the lowest thc strain I could find was about 6%. So that will be my starting point. I have a bit of random no name indica that I can take a couple hits from and be okay. But it just gives me horrible couch lock. And it feels high in thc so I'm still not very relaxed. Not a great combo. But thank you for the tips! I will wait and see a few months from now how that goes
     
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