some of my more liberal female friends have been going on about how we live in a culture that celebrates the denigration and rape of women in general. do we? i realize that yes, oftentimes women are portrayed as sexual beings in certain movies and advertisements but is that even remotely close to being raped? another argument is that advertisements create an unrealistic expectation of what a woman should look like and that it's a sort of psychological assault on females, which i guess i can sort of understand if someone buys into the idea that all women should look like super models. still, none of that is rape. being held down and forcibly sexually penetrated while you actively resist is rape. it would seem some lazy, half-assed feminists have hijacked the conversation and watered rape down to include being ogled or catcalled in public. i suppose it gets on my nerves because i was raised to be a gentleman, hold doors, give compliments, etc and these days it would seem chivalry is taken as a symptom of some sort of oppressive patriarchy that ultimately wants a woman chained to the kitchen stove. i keep hearing it said that rather than tell girls what to wear and how to behave in public, simply teach boys not to rape. every time i hear this idea i'm just embarrassed to belong to the same species as whoever thinks it's a bright idea. everyone knows that rape is not good. there are laws against it. it is both socially and legally frowned upon by most everyone. pretty sure we learned to keep our hands to ourselves in elementary school. unfortunately, not everyone will and there will be people making unwanted sexual advances. it's a sad fact of life. that considered, isn't it a good idea to teach women practical ways to protect themselves and not make themselves a target for victimization? it's just ridiculous. i recently explained that it's just good practice to not walk home alone in a grimy city after getting sloppy drunk in a sexy little outfit and had a girl flip out on me saying there shouldn't be any danger and she should be able to do whatever she wants without a man "mansplaining" how to live her life. odd because my concern was for her safety.
we live in a fucked up world everything about this world is essentially "wrong" or at least immoral in some way why should this be any different?
Fracturtle says: Another argument is that advertisements create an unrealistic expectation of what a woman should look like and that it's a sort of psychological assault on females, which i guess i can sort of understand if someone buys into the idea that all women should look like super models. To proclaim this, and I agree they do, is to openly say that that group is actively and effectively being controlled by media. To a point of employing drastic measures like extreme body image things. "Kathy was a perfectly normal, intelligent, sane young woman, until magazines and TV told her she has to resort to bulimia" Diehard feminists claiming this need to be very careful when passionately expressing it. If their scenario is right and accepted, then the immediate question must be asked, what else in the media are women this strongly controlled by? How can one example of media control be passionately demanded for acknowledgement, without the realization just what kind of acknowledgement of being a media underling or acolyte this makes someone. If you're blindly following orders to destroy your body and health, what other orders will you blindly follow and do? What does that say about your state of mind?
If you'd have asked me 20 years ago I'd probably have said no, but go ahead and watch modern porn and you tell me...
We still view rape as a robbery where the thief is stealing sex rather than seeing it as the extremely traumatizing and possibly life changing event.
Yeah, nothing wrong with that advice If I was walking by myself, drunk, late at night, and I got mugged because I'm flipping through my wallet, I'm sure everyone's first reaction would be, "Wow, glad you're okay. That's awful." And then once the shock wore off it'd be like, "Be more careful about putting yourself in a situation like that." I shouldn't have to worry about getting mugged, but by taking a few common sense precautions it can likely be avoided. For her to reject that advice basically says to me that she'll act however she wants and is content to make noise about the negative repercussions rather than slightly change her behavior and avoid the risk altogether.
What "we" are you talking about? Those are not my views so you and I must be in a different "we". Anyone who doesn't see rape as extremely traumatizing and life changing is an imbecile and psychopath. That is and never has been a "we" I was a part of. Same goes for literally every single person I grew up with, know, and associate with. One major issue of the "rape culture" movement is doing precisely that: Taking an awful act psychopaths commit and blanketing it over the vast majority who so obviously abhor it. This is why rape legislature is so absurdly out of control because it assumes almost by default that it is in fact dealing with a rapist. By that logic every demographic on the planet is part of their own "we" , the one where they all share the same view as the psychopaths and criminals among them.
Can you post a link or somthing when did the change definition? Seems fairly straightforward... http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault#sa Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
guys, anybody not learn that rape is not acceptable behavior? pretty sure that lesson happened in like 6th grade with the sex ed stuff. i don't think it's really news to anyone so i'm not sure how else you could possibly teach boys not to rape..
youre working yourself up over semantics. by "we" i was referring to humanity. i hindsight i couldve been more specific. obviously anyone here on gc, or i hope most, view rape as a horrible, unaccepted and unjustifiable act but id bet the majority of the world would still have an easier time siding with the perpetrator and i know most placs in the world a woman is viewed as unclean if raped. thats another issue. rape is often discussed here and for some reason is always stirring up emotions, so clearly we all have different understandings of the seriousness of rape.
It's not even somthing you learn its just common sense we just know. The people that don't somehow know That It's wrong clearly have mental issues. Rape is not some product of our current society ...this has been going on forever nothing new. We just live in a more densely populated time so of course you see it more. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
I "learned" when I was old enough to think straight and was raised by sane adults in early childhood to not to assault people.
File under "misheard lyrics" but the first time I saw the video for "Wrecking Ball" I misheard the chorus as "You ra-a-a-pe me, all you ever do is ra-a-a-pe me." Combined with the naked young woman swinging on a big ball and chain and crying her eyes out, it was pretty disturbing to me.