Sexing without a timer

Discussion in 'Advanced Growing Techniques' started by kokes, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Hi, I just wanted to pop in really quick to tell you that my single plant just started flowering today. It is pre-season early spring and my girl sits on a windowsill with no extra lights. I planted the seed on January 1st. As a matter of fact I planted 5 seeds, but 4 plants didn't survive the transplanting. They were very weak as they have never seen sun in their lives before they died. The fifth plant did survive and it matured early enough while the days are still short, so she showed sex. Nice, huh? Now the days get be longer and longer, she will reveg, and she will be very bushy as all plants that go from flower back to grow, and I will clone it like crazy to get an all female outdoor crop.
     
    Just on a side note, the correct date will depend on where you live. I live in Prague and Jan 1st was just fine. If you live further up north, you may opt for later date, even say February 1st if you live in Anchorage. If you live down south compared to me (like Toronto and other southerners), you may need to start before January 1st to catch the short days in time.
     
    Take care.
    Kokes 

     
  2. Uh..I'm not sure if this is 'advanced'
     
  3. Well, I tried searching for it before I've tried to save myself some time, and guess what? Zero matches. Where should I put it? Beginners? This is highly experimental stuff. That is why it is here.
     
  4. put it in "outdoor section" maybe?
     
  5. #5 CanadianOrganic, Mar 27, 2015
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    Its not 'highly' experimental. It's called revegging.
    The days get longer and a plant will return to vegetative state...that's nothing new.
     
  6. It may not be a bad thread for the outdoor, but it is not outdoor. Revegging is something you do with lights, not naturally. I repeat myself: I have never ever seen a thread where anyone would grow a plant behing window over winter just to get it sexed in time, before spring kicks in. Only once did I read that it was impossible.
     
  7. #7 ludachris420, Apr 6, 2015
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    Actually many people have done monster cropping(revegging) outdoors.and cannabis will in fact reveg in the wild on its own given the right circumstances.one being the seed starts early.but man has been doing this for some time as well..it is just revegging the plant witch can as I said happen from a mutitude of reasons.not that advanced I.m.o.. but simple topping and super cropping and outdoor or indoor crop can benefit just as much or better. I would not suggest doing what you say with a seed for the fact it is from seed.your introducing stress on the genetics from the start and that just does not sound well to me..far as early sexing from seed I would rather start inside and just allow the plant to get a slight root bound witch can in most instances cause the plant to show early sex. But Starting from seed is how most people obtain new and healthy genetics and the last thing I would want to do is give my seeds light deprivation from the start.most people who do outdoor crops just start early indoors for all these reasons. More simple and can achieve the same goals without sending a new plant into shock and going from bloom to veg and back to bloom takes much longer to achieve then veg to bloom so the whole idea seams worthless ..just my thoughts
     
  8. Sexing without a timer? This is bullshit. You don't have a very intelligent and convincing story. Plants can be sexed just fine by 12/12 in just 18-25 days from the pop. That's 2-3 weeks for some so as to not waste time on males. I'm putting my plants outside now and been since September. This information could be put into a better form and an easily understood concept, the reveg.


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  9. Ludachris420, you are absolutely right and I couldn't agree more, that is if I had electricity. I don't, so I found my own way.
    Josephjt93, your reply and similar replies at various threads are exactly the reason I started this thread. You are wrong.
     
  10. You failed to mention you have no electricity. Good for you! Where there's a will, there's a way.
     
  11. What part is wrong? I popped 2 seeds back in January , started in 12/12 from day 1. Both showed sex within 6 nodes of growth, 1 male 1 female. Ditched the balls and gave the fem 24 hours of light then to a 18/6 cycle. Started a mainline on her and took clones after 5 days. That seedling is now in her 4th week of flower, I have a beautiful mother from her clone, another one of her clones is in 5.5 weeks of flower to try and see what to expect from it. Another clone is just starting 2nd week of flower cause I could, and the last clone I gave away.

    My first plants from seed I waited to sex them naturally, got to big, took to long, lost training time not wanting to put in work to throw it away if it's male. Took a few days in paper towel, 3 weeks in 12/12 and i got to play with clones while waiting for her to veg. No sign of stress or hermie.
     
  12. I don't see anything wrong with what you wrote. I have done just like that in the past. My situation now is a bit different. I have loads of seeds but dire lack of space and no electricity at all. How to cope with such situation? I started with germinating some seeds extremely early. I used short daylight to get my plants sexed and kept the female for the clones. I may risk hermies if the strain is prone to them, but it is far better risking there may be seed here and there then having only half the plants in fall (removing the males) with 100% certainity of the plants with seeds. There is nothing wrong with what I have done, either. So what exactly was you question about?
     
  13. Kokes,
     
    I think a little back history into what you have to work with would certainly shed some light to those who can't wrap their head around what you're doing.  I was certainly one of them last year when I first came across your grow thread.  Everyone should check it out IMO, so here it is.  http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/1330204-windowsill-grow.html  I questioned you on every aspect of the grow until I knew the whole story.
     
    I'm certainly a proponent of growing the best you can.  I will say you absolutely had the best windowsill grow I've ever seen and you absolutely maximized what little you had to work with.  I entered that thread as a doubter and left genuinely impressed, can't wait to see the results this year.
     
    I'd only add one point, not sure if you're aware of this.  Cannabis plants will almost always show sex in the form of preflowers by latest week 8, or the 10th node IME, even under 24 hrs of light.  You didn't need to presex them, but once again I can't fault you for your methods because your grow fits into a very specific category and you're working with what you have.  I wouldn't worry about hermies from this subtle change in light cycles.  Hermies are more often a result of inconsistent light, and mother nature is providing a very gradual increase in timing.  Main issue you will have is a revegged plant is a bit too bushy and you may want to thin it out a bit before its starts flowering again, just my 2 cents.
     
    Also as someone who has grown for 20 years, and used to be a moderator here, I will say this topic is fitting in the advanced growing section.  It went over my head the first time I saw it.
     
    Couple questions.  Did you get verified genetics this time?  And how is your arrow invention going?
     
    Good luck man, keep this thread posted.  
     
     
  14. #14 kokes, Apr 26, 2015
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    Thank you for your kind words Homer. I will jump right to your questions.
     
    I have much better genetics this time. The plant is Carnival/AK47 crossbreed from a friend of mine.
     
    The arrow is not quite finished yet, but it seems this week it will be. This is what I have so far:
     
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    The upper picture is a 3D "scatch" I made while I had the electricity. Well, I first made scatches on eggshells, but later developed mathematical modes for it and finally the algorhitms which I turned into my own turbine calculating software, then I learned 3D modelling and then I made the scatch. The arrow looks almost the same now, but it has changed in many details as I was testing various shapes and angles etc, and boy were there many tests, prototypes and molds as you can see here:
     
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    All of these are hand made. They took over a year and half to make. I don't want to print them on a 3D printer somewhere as I see it as a security risk I am not willing to take. I prefer secrecy over patents.
     
    Right now I rather concentrate on marketing. I need to introduce these arrows to the public but at the same time I mustn't say too much. I mean, today you can choose between straight fletches and helical fletches. Straight ones fly further, helical more consistently. Mine fly at least as far as straight fletches (furher) and as consistently as helical ones. My biggist goal now is to convince some archers to try them out without scaring them away by what might seem like exagerated claims. My plan is to take them to local archery, they already know me and are willing to shoot them. I also have some threads on archerytalk, so I will PM users that were interested and offer them a testing unit. If you wish, I can send you one as well, just PM me your address.
     
    When I was kid I was tought that when making fire it is better to light it from more sides at the same time while the match is lit to maximize my chances the fire will catch.
     

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