Religion: Fact or fiction?

Discussion in 'Religion, Beliefs and Spirituality' started by geebus christ, Mar 5, 2015.

  1. Hey guys, I know this is a super controversial topic, but what do you guys think about the different types of religion? I'm a Christian, but there's just so much compelling evidence due to science and so many holes in the way some religions are based that it's hard for me not to question religion, even my own. (I have absolutely nothing against anyone's beliefs, I only want to listen and gather opinion)

    What do you think about different types of religion, your own, and why do you feel that way about them?
     
  2. is religion a fact?
     
    yes.
     
  3. You should watch the Ken Ham / Bill Nye debate. It'll expand your horizons, religious or not. 
     
  4. In my mind, religion is fact. I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that this universe just happened, with no creator. And I'm Christian too! Haha


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  5. I see all religions as works of fiction. To say that they're facts is clearly an ignorance of the definition of 'fact' and 'religion'.
    From what I've come to understand, at least when it comes to Christianity, it's based entirely on faith. No evidence is required.
    I think religion is a primitive way of explaining how the universe works, how it came to be, and what its purpose is for. 
    Thanks to science, we have those answers, and we don't need religion.
     
    Don't misunderstand me.. There is a difference between religion and a belief in a divine creator. Religion is a structure of belief and traditions. If you want to believe in a god(s), that's fine. If you want to be religious, that's fine. But to confuse it with fact.... that's not fine.
    No disrespect. 
     
  6. Have you read the bible?

    Greek mythology is more realistic.

    and how many smart people take the bible literally these days?
     
  7. I think it's fiction but I also think it doesn't matter if it's fact or fiction. Religion is an emotional thing first and foremost. I can for example intellectually believe every single thing a Christian believes to exist or to have existed and that still won.t make me a Christian. I can believe that there's a very powerfull being which created everything by his will and which demands certain conduct from me, as expressed in Bible. If I do comply - heaven after death, if I don't - hell after death. So if I actually factually believe it I now can make a decision of how to handle this hostile enviroment which most likely will be following all the demands just to get in heaven later. Will be no different than handling my existence say living in North Korea under Kim Jong who can certainly transform my life into hell if I don't follow his demands.
     
    A religious person however is a different thing - it's somebody who submits to religion, hence 'Islam' for example means 'submission'. Somebody who holds religion in his soul. Not just the one who believes facts.
     
  8. Religion is obviously a very strong "opinion". In other words, a belief. Your answer will vary from person to person..

    For ME, religion is a fact.


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  9. if religion is factual, then it's not longer religion
     
  10. It's fiction. We have a pretty good grasp now on how and why religions evolved. We can trace religion and watch different beliefs get changed/expanded upon to form other religions. We evolved the ability to find patterns in everything. The default setting in our brain is to create an answer if we don't know, and a side effect of evolution is that we developed the ability to assume that some "righting force" is prevalent in nature. This is why most people in the world believe in a force such as religion/astrology etc. that controls the world. Combine this with the fact that early humans knew nothing of the world and you have religion. This is why Science is necessary. Science is a method that we can utilize to root out human subjectivity. Without Science, there is no way to determine what is correct and eliminate brain biases. 
     
  11. Sure. Religion Exists. That's quantifiable. What religion teaches, however, is not fact.
     
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  13. How do you know this?

    Thou shall not kill is just a silly fairy tale?
     
  14. #15 IDTENT, Mar 8, 2015
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    Belief in facts do not require one to have faith or devotion; they are just what the best evidence and logic suggest is true. There exists no observable evidence for a God of any sort, and I haven't come across any convincing philosophical argument for one either. There is equally little evidence and reason to believe in unicorns and the yeti as there is to believe in God.
     
    I hear many religious people claiming that something must have created the universe and I think there is some logic in this. But, if we are to believe that a God created the universe, then what exactly created this God? Belief in God solves this problem by introducing another problem. And then there is also the possibility that the universe may have just always existed.
     
    The scientific community have yet to solve the problem. Give them time, and perhaps they will. I think I can be certain of one thing though. Logic and evidence based reasoning are more likely to solve the problem than old religious scriptures, written by people who didn't even understand the most basic of modern scientific principles. 
     
    I agree with Hitchens when he says that, "all religions, all faiths, are equal and equivalent glimpses of the untrue."
     
  15. look up the definition of fact.
     
  16. #17 SmokinP, Mar 8, 2015
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    All religion is nonsense and no more based on fact than Hans Christian Anderson's fairytales.

    People cling to religion because of their fear of death. The belief that you are "reborn" , go to "heaven", etc is religions biggest selling point..

    The different brands of religion are akin to the different brands of cola, same thing just a slightly different flavour...
     
  17. But religion teaches morality and morality is subjective.

    You can't prove or disprove morality.
     
  18. Therefore morality, by definition, cannot be fact.
     
  19. #20 HighlyHumble, Mar 8, 2015
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    No. Thou shall not kill didn't derive from religion.
    What's a silly fairy tale is a talking snake told a woman made from the rib of a man, to eat a fruit off a tree.
    What's a silly fairy tale is the Earth was flooded and some dude gathered up the billions of different species from all over the world onto a single boat. 
    What's a fairy tale is that a man named Jesus, walked on water, healed the sick, turned a couple loaves of bread and a few fish into a meal for thousands, was born a virgin birth, died and resurrected three days later and floated into the sky.  
     

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