The Greatest Contradiction of Common Sense

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  1. #1 NorseMythology, Feb 17, 2015
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    [Note, this is probably too long for a goldfish]

    'BERNARDO KASTRUP'

    This essay is about a shocking contradiction in our common sense about the nature of
    reality; a contradiction that you are probably totally unaware of. Becoming aware of this
    contradiction has the potential to change your life.


    On the one hand, our common sense says that the colors we see, the sounds we hear, the
    smells we feel, the textures we sense, are all the actual and concrete reality. We take it for
    granted that they are all really ‘out there,' in the sense of being outside our heads. On the
    other hand, our common sense also seems to suggest that death is the end of our
    consciousness. Even if we don't acknowledge this intellectually or spiritually, most of us fear
    the end of consciousness with enough sincerity to betray our belief in its possibility. Now, the point of this essay is extraordinarily simple: these two common-sense beliefs are
    mutually exclusive. They cannot be both true. Either everything you sense around you right
    now, including the computer in front of you, is a kind of “hallucination” inside your head, or your consciousness doesn't end upon what we
    call physical death. And by the time we come to the end of this essay, I believe you will agree with me.

    Let's start with the postulate that bodily dissolution - death - indeed implies the end
    of consciousness. Such a notion is entirely based on the idea that your body, particularly your brain, generates all your experiences. After all, what other reason could we have to
    believe that consciousness ends if the brain stops working? But if the notion is true, then all of your subjective experiences and their qualities - colors, sounds, flavors, textures, warmth, etc. - are merely representations
    created within your head. The “real world out there” has none of the qualities of experience:
    no colors, no melody, no flavors, no warmth. Supposedly, it is a purely abstract realm of quantities akin to mathematical equations. It cannot even be visualized, for visualization
    always entails qualities of experience. In essence, if this is true, your entire life unfolds
    inside your skull. Your actual skull is somewhere beyond the room where you are sitting, enveloping it from all sides. After all, the room you are experiencing right now is
    supposedly within your head.


    But what if all this is baloney? What if the colors, sounds, and smells you are experiencing right now are the real reality -
    the actual world - not “hallucinated” representations within your skull? Then the
    necessary implication is that all of reality is in consciousness, for reality is then “made of”
    the qualities of subjective experience. But if that is so, it is your body that is in consciousness, not consciousness in your
    body. After all, your body is in reality, not reality in your body. And then, in turn, the
    dissolution of your body cannot imply the end of consciousness; not any more than the death of your dreamed-up avatar in a nightly dream can imply your physical death. After all,
    it is the avatar that is in your dreaming consciousness, not your consciousness in the
    avatar. Do you see the point?
    Therefore, either all reality you can ever experience is a kind of “hallucination” inside your skull, or we have absolutely no reason to believe that physical death entails the end of consciousness. It's one thing or the other. You take your pick: which alternative is crazier?
    I've taken mine: I am unable to deny the reality of my immediate experience, which far
    precedes the models and abstractions of our mad materialist culture. So let us dare entertain the possibility that reality is exactly what it seems to be: that it has qualities, not just quantities . Let us acknowledge what every civilization before Western rationalism always took for granted: that colors, smells, sounds, and flavors are really out there, not just inside our heads.


    How do we then explain the big questions that materialists claim to require an abstract
    reality fundamentally outside consciousness in order to be made sense of? First question: “If reality is a kind of dream in
    consciousness, how come we seem to be all sharing the same dream?” The idea behind this question is that, because our bodies are not connected in the fabric of space-time, our
    personal psyches are also not connected and, therefore, cannot be sharing a dream. But this assumes that consciousness is in the body, as
    opposed to the body in consciousness. If our bodies are in consciousness, the fact that our bodies are separate does not imply that our psyches are also separate. Nothing in our
    experience prevents our psyches from being connected - unified - at the deepest, most obfuscated level, like the visible branches of a tree unite at the invisible root. That highly
    obfuscated, collective root level may well be the unified source of the shared dream we call
    consensus reality. And that there are highly-obfuscated segments of mind (so obfuscated, in fact, that depth psychology routinely uses
    the misnomer “unconscious” to refer to them) is an established fact in psychology.


    Second question: “Clearly we cannot change reality by merely wishing it to be different,
    therefore reality must exist outside consciousness.” The problem here is to confuse phenomena that fall outside the
    sphere of volition - our wishes - with phenomena that fall outside consciousness itself. Not all conscious processes fall in the field of volition, as we all know: our nightmares, spontaneous visions,
    hallucinations, etc., are all undeniably subjective, but not under the control of our wishes. To say that all reality is in
    consciousness does not contradict the fact that much of reality unfolds according to strict regularities that we've come to call the “laws of nature.” It only means that processes in a particular segment of mind -the obfuscated, collective root level - unfold according to
    strict regularities. To say that all nature is grounded in consciousness does not imply
    that all nature is grounded in the whimsical, tiny segments of consciousness that we call
    our personal egos , in exactly the same way that dreams and visions aren't grounded in
    the ego either.


    Third question: “There are tight correlations between brain states and subjective experience. Therefore, the brain must generate consciousness.” Well, there is an alternative way of seeing this that is incredibly self-evident: the brain is not the cause of consciousness, but merely the image of a process in consciousness. Take lightning: it doesn't “generate” or “cause” atmospheric electric discharge; it's just the way atmospheric electric discharge looks. Take a
    whirlpool in a stream: it doesn't “generate” water; it is simply the way water flow localization looks. There is nothing to a
    whirlpool but water, yet we can point at it and say: “There is a whirlpool!” Similarly, there is
    nothing to the brain but consciousness, yet we can point at it and say: “There is a brain!” As a whirlpool is the image of flow localization in water, so the brain is merely the image of flow localization in consciousness. As such, it is no surprise that brain states correlate with personal - that is, localized - subjective experience: one is simply the outside view of the other! Yet the brain doesn't “generate” consciousness for exactly the same reason that a whirlpool
    doesn't generate water.


    Fourth question: “If I take psychoactive drugs or suffer physical trauma to my head, my
    subjective experience will change. Therefore, the brain generates consciousness.” The
    rationale here is the following: pills and trauma are assumed to exist as physical things outside consciousness. Then, because
    they can clearly alter your subjective experiences through physically interfering with
    the brain - which is also assumed to exist outside consciousness - then, the argument goes, consciousness must be generated by the
    brain. Notice that this entire rationale simply assumes that pills, trauma, and brains exist outside consciousness, which is precisely the point in contention! You see, if all reality
    is in consciousness, then a pill or a well-placed knock to the head are simply the images of processes in consciousness; they are also in consciousness , not outside it. Where else could they be? What is a pill but what you see, touch, feel in your fingers? It has color, taste, texture. It's a set of subjective perceptions with the qualities
    of experience. As far as you or anyone else can ever know for sure, a pill is in consciousness. Therefore, that a pill or physical trauma to the head alter one's state of consciousness is no more surprising than the fact that your thoughts can change your emotions. Thoughts and emotions are both in
    consciousness, and we are perfectly comfortable with the fact that they can influence one another. For that exact same
    reason, we should be perfectly comfortable with the fact that drugs and physical trauma
    also influence our subjective states. As there is nothing to the brain but consciousness, so
    there is nothing to a pill and physical action but consciousness.

    All questions that lead materialists to naively
    insist on the existence of an unprovable, abstract universe outside consciousness can
    be logically and empirically made sense of under the rigorous and parsimonious view
    that all reality is a phenomenon of consciousness, in consciousness, as I explain
    in my book Why Materialism Is Baloney . Your intuition that the world you experience around
    you right now, with all its colors, sounds, smells, and textures, is the actual reality - as opposed to a kind of hallucinated reproduction inside your head - is entirely correct. The implication of that, however, is that your consciousness - your subjective feeling of being - will not cease to exist upon your
    physical death. This is an inescapable conclusion derived from logic, clear thinking,
    and empirical honesty, not mere wishful thinking. It so happens to also be a hopeful conclusion.
     
  2. #2 Hello there!, Feb 17, 2015
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    Wow, false dichotomy much?
     
    Life is either a hallucination, or else our 'consciousness' doesn't end with death? That's implying our conscious is attached to external reality in a non-physical way. The only attachment our conscious has to reality is our brain. It is a bunch of chemical reactions, produced from physical reactions to the external world, that makes me into me, and you into you.
     
    If life is a hallucination, then 'consciousness' ends with one's death. The end of a hallucination, would be the end of that train of conscious thought.
     
    If life is not a hallucination, then 'consciousness' ends with one's death. The end of consciousness begins with physical failure.
     
    If life is considered to continue after physical failure, then evidence must be provided or else you're talking out of your ass.
     
  3. I know you didn't write this yourself, but this is one of the worst arguments for consciousness I've seen in awhile. Even if you believe that consciousness is created by the brain, there is no reason to believe that that means nothing actually exists outside the brain. This is a terrible argument from someone who is obviously biased towards immaterialism/idealism/solipsism.
     
  4. #4 Account_Banned283, Feb 17, 2015
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    Conflating experience of the world with the world itself, this essay doesn't contain any arguments, it's merely an outline of idealist thought. Bernado Kastrup could of arrived at his point much more quickly if he had typed the following;
     
    ''If a tree falls in a forest with no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?''
     
    ''No, my experience of the tree is the only tree there is.''
     
    Unfortunately this doesn't sound much like ''common sense'', as he likes to call it.
     
    EDIT; Idealism also seems to degenerate into solipsism, because if there isn't anything outside of your own personal experience, then it should follow that there aren't any other people other than yourself. :mellow:
     
  5. Tldr

    *bubbles*

    -yuri
     
  6. We are the singularity point in a paradox
     
  7. I'm almost positive he said the authors name at the begining of his post. But the link was helpful. Thank you.
     
    To the OP, I've had lucid dreams where I use a drug and immediately my dream takes on a different state of perception.
    The "pill" in my dream was only a thought. Yet it changed the flow of events in my dream.
     
  8. #9 freethinker, Feb 18, 2015
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    The mind's interpretation of reality isn't any different than the mind's interpretation of the dreaming reality at night where we spend 1/3 of our lives, the only difference is that there are no rules in the dreaming reality...and yet when we're dreaming, we think it's real until we finally wake up.  But if we never woke up, would we even know it was a dream?  If the electrical impulses being fed to your brain for interpretation (awareness/all that is) were being fed from something outside of the space/time universe of which we all is known, then you wouldn't ever realize it because it is after all all you've ever known in the first place. 
     
    The real question is to whom or what is your awareness aware-ing to or for?  ... trace it back to it's source and you'll see that you don't really know anything about anything. 
     
  9. Thats interesting. I wonder if in a controlled setting one injected a drug into a person in REM sleep if/how it would effect the dreams
     
  10. #11 левша, Feb 18, 2015
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    I enjoyed that read, a lot. But i tend to think distant to someone who is dead set on a certain idea... I really like the thought of our brain just painting us what we all see, and whats really there we cant comprehend..
    Interesting, as I get info I'm one who likes to consider every bit, and I will not choose a side of argument, because there are no 100% truths worth defending. Every time I hear or imagine some sort of info, I easily start doubting its existance, or accuracy, but not neglecting its possibility. Just how i am
     
  11. If past experience with drugs is anything.. I can say that after falling asleep with use of LSD my dreams are quite abstract. Well more so than normal.
     
  12. Yea but your brain new it was on lsd. If you could have it administered unknowingly (while sleeping) i wonder if dreams would be the same?
     
  13. #14 MaxK, Feb 19, 2015
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    This is something to wonder. I'll have to ask my girlfriend that when I slip her a tab in her sleep, although she can't sleep on it... :confused_2:
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    I...kid.
     
  14. In the name of science bro ;-)
     

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