History - written by the winners

Discussion in 'Politics' started by yurigadaisukida, Feb 14, 2015.

  1. #1 yurigadaisukida, Feb 14, 2015
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    When I was in history class I was taught that history is written by the winners. But somehow missed that we were the winners.

    Have you ever questioned the American civil war?

    Why assume the "unions" were the "good guys?"

    Why do you drink up The anti Confederate coolaide?

    Is it impossible that the history books are lies?

    Everyone knows history is written by the winners, but still believes the winners were right. Wtf?!

    -yuri
     
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    I don't really understand this winners..losers logic, that's miles off. History will always be bias, the 'losers' have just as much incentive to  show themselves in a good light as the 'winners' do. 
     
    Most of the time, histories are written quite some time after the fact. So the person writing it will probably be an academic who is neither a victor, nor defeated. It's the person who is studying the history that must be wiser in drawing their conclusions, looking heavily at both sides. I don't take any written history seriously if it's not ridden with primary sources.
     
    History is just someone's take on something that happened, using original sources and evidence to support their conclusion. There is no definitive right or wrong, most thing's in history can be argued. You've just gotta have the evidence to support it.
     
  3. Gotta love these young Paulites and their revisionist propaganda about the Civil War and other issues.  They think that they're onto something.  
     
    The Ron Paul Curriculum will straighten out all those Yankee lies, you betcha. .  
     
  4. You can't really spin slavery.
     
  5. #6 yurigadaisukida, Feb 14, 2015
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    Why do you assume the south favored slavery? Did they get a trial?

    Its like religion. This history is just a book written by people Ans you are taking it as fact

    -yuri
     
  6. I actually haven't read anything by ron paul

    -yuri
     
  7. I liked reading about the secret history of the mongols. They were so primitive yet they bested nearly every empire they sought after.
    They were illiterate so they forced other cultures to write about them.
    funny thing is, the other cultures do mention of the genius administration and military tactics they possessed.
    They invented the pony express in the mid 1200s. They carved flutes into their arrows so they can direct armies far distances, etc.

    I remember in college, I took WORLD history, we were only taught American history lol
     
  8. Well he gets a lot of credit, which he gleefully accepts, for being very popular with the young.   He's appealing to people who are inexperienced with life, have not fully matured intellectually or emotionally, do not have the ability to distinguish between lies and truth, and have other issues which have traditionally been pacified by con-men and swindlers.  
     
  9. What's history?
     
    I prefer histories (plural).
     
  10. I'm taking it as fact because people dedicated their lives to finding out the truth about these things. I base it on primary documents that show that one of the main reasons for secession was differing opinions on slavery. The south felt that they weren't being represented after they pretty much unanimously voted for a candidate who lost and felt that the north was going to impose restrictions on their way of life. Their way of life involved slave labor, so it's pretty obvious that one of the major reasons was slavery. The south decided to secede and the rest is history. You don't get a trial when you secede from the union, you get a war. States aren't just allowed to back out because they no longer are getting their way. Comparing this history based on first hand accounts and primary and secondary documents to something like religion is ludicrous. Of course there may be some inaccuracies in our history but it is infinitely times more accurate than stories from the bible, which are largely stories used to express an idea and not a retelling of history.
     
  11. The neutral states still part of the US were allowed to keep their slaves during the war
     
  12. When i was in middle school they taught us about how germany, russia, ya know standard bad guys would alter history books to brainwash or trick the civilians into believing false history that was skewed in that countries favor.
     
    First thought i had was "So if they can do it and noone in the country knows because they say other countries do the same and can't be trusted, couldn't they be doing the same to us right now?"
     
    American history  classes in K12 are a fucking sham.
     
  13. #14 nativetongues, Feb 14, 2015
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    Yeah I know that. The things that they were pissed about wasn't the abolishment of slavery but restrictions that were being put on it. Oddly enough though the whole war really seemed to have led to the abolishment of slavery. They left because they felt they weren't being represented. The main issue they didn't feel like they were being represented on was issues involving slavery like fugitive slave laws and other shit like that. So you could say it was about their interests being underrepresented. But their main interest was to keep slavery because it was so important their industry at the time. Either way it's pretty clear what the war was about and what happened. Of course all history is skewed which is why you have to look at it like all things critically. It's oversimplifying to say it's all about slavery, but it's also inaccurate to say that slavery wasn't a major issue which helped to spark the war. Of course, you're gonna have the people who believe every word they were told in fourth grade about American History. Unfortunately, I think it would be pretty hard to understand the intricacies of wars and past incidences like pilgrims killing off Indian tribes. That why you have to white wash for kids a little. The problem becomes these kids who reject other things or don't remember because of how engrained those ideas are.
     
  14. What "Indian tribes" were "killed off" by the pilgrims?  
    They had some conflicts, but for the most part got along pretty well, not to mention the fact that the pilgrims were greatly outnumbered by the Indians.  
     
  15. What I said was too extreme. I just mean that we white wash some of the history especially during that time period when we tell smaller children about it.
     
  16. OK, that's an accurate description of it.  Small children can't really understand it, anyway.  Fuck, I'm a long way off from being a child and I don't even understand what it's all about most of the time, lol.    
     
  17. The things the American government did to Natives was reprehensible. Wounded knee for example. Soldiers would attack tribes when the braves were hunting, shot natives in the back as they retreated, raped their women and gave them blankets with small pockets, not to mention made a lot of them choose white names.
     
  18. My god, not small pockets! Anything but small pockets! That's barbaric!

    Haha, I know you meant smallpox. Couldn't help myself :)
     

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