The School System

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by dutchie_is_here, Feb 12, 2015.

  1. Sit down and think about the school system for a minute. We learn these incredible things in science and math and history, it got me wondering. Why exactly do they teach us these things? I think people who bash the system for what it is doesn't look past the first level of higher thinking. What if the government wants all these kids to know how to scientifically synthesise DNA or find the genes and shit for animals and plants, and all of history, so we can rebuild society easier if shit hits the fan? Think bout it. Well need some seriously smart fuckers in the future if we're going to thrive any longer. The way the things are going now, if a world war broke out or a catastrophic natural disaster, we would need a surplus of Able bodied people who knew about math, science, history, language, etc. I just want to know if I'm the only one who thinks this might be true


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  2. I mean personally I think most government programs have the right intentions. There are some that argue that people in our government including the school system are corrupt and don't really have the best interest at people's hearts. I think on a whole this thought this is very false. I think most people try to go about their day and do what they believe is right even if that's not the case. I think most politicians, even though a lot are willing to compromise their positions, often do what they believe is the right thing. Gun control activists and the NRA aren't seedy organization trying to foster increases in gun violence or rise of government tyranny. They are both organizations that seek to make the world a better place. They just fundamentally disagree about the way in solving it. Sometimes people who hold extreme views will say things along the lines like "liberals want to destroy this country" or "republicans hate woman having freedom" and it's always bullshit. I highly doubt there are politicians actively trying to foil our government. There may be some who take advantage of their positions, but no one wants to destroy this country.

    Similarly people who hold extreme views about public school will often say things like you mentioned. Most people however don't feel that public education is purposely harming or brainwashing kids, just that the public education system is inefficient. It is more expensive in many places, such as my home state NJ, to put a kid through the private school system than the public school if you compare what each school pays to teach a student. Personally, I went to a very good public high school so it's hard for me to knock public education based on my experiences.
     
  3. I have major problems with the school system, will fill in this post when I get the time. You have to be realistic, the system is a system.
     
  4. I'm pretty sure they want people to dumb down not get smarter. It's what I see anyway.


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  5. #5 MaxK, Feb 14, 2015
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    You learn Math, Science, English, and History in primary school. All four things teach you about yourself, the world you live in, communication, and the past so as to be able to relate to where you are currently in the present state of the world. In other words as a person you are educated on what is common knowledge and given the tools to further yourself and then contribute to the progress of humanities state or not progress and maintain the status quo. There is no real grand scheme of things working in the background. Individuals form into groups and those individuals/groups make use of the knowledge they have to better themselves. The same knowledge you have the capacity to acquire and put to use.
     
  6. #6 Koh, Feb 20, 2015
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    It's easy to see how your school system stacks up in a time where the answer to practically any question is at your fingertips. I agree with most of those who've posted here, there is no grand scheme of brainwashing going on. On a small scale and on a case by case basis you can find it, but for the most part it's not there. It's easy to critique your own experience with those who have had different, its easy to judge the quality of your education against others. From my experience in public school, the information was mostly legitimate, and designed to develop knowledge. 
     
  7. #7 ReturnFire333, Feb 22, 2015
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    The school system is a complete sham of bullshit designed to keep kids from having unrestricted lives and developing freely. But when both of your parents work full time jobs it's a good babysitter. 12 years of painstaking, pointless bullshit.
     
  8. #8 nativetongues, Feb 22, 2015
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    I think it's funny that people say this. However, if you probably didn't go to school as a kid I highly doubt you would be as intelligent as you are now. Kids in the US take education for granted. There's no way kids have enough motivation, at least I know I didn't, to learn by themselves at an early age. Do you really think your life would be better if you never went to school?
     
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    Yeah. Pointless cramming of useless bullshit makes people "smart" get real. You're born with a decent IQ or you're not.
     
  11. I was home-schooled from 3-12grade, the vast majority of which i had no teacher. I didnt do actual school but a few hours a day. Luckily i had the curiosity to learn and my parents were able to afford a computer so I had the internet and library. I did quite well in college with minimal effort too.

    In summation, i cannot comment on the public school system since i was never apart of it, but i turned out just fine, no regrets.
     
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    :huh:
     
  13. Yea thats subjective ;-)
     
  14. Yes learning how to read, understand history, do basic math, and understand basic scientific concepts is all a bunch of useless bullshit. You are telling me that you learned not one useful thing in school. You can argue that you would be better off possibly in some other style of education, but to pretend that you are not smarter after going to school in any way seems farfethched in my opinion. People aren't inherently born smart. Some do have more potential than others I'm sure, but intelligence is a combination of nature and nurture. However much you want to deny it, school most likely impacted you in a positive way. Not to mention the socialization and other aspects that go beyond just learning.
     
  15. I like the idea of it and the social aspect of schools, but I think it's been poorly executed. 13 years of school, and I walked out not knowing how to rent, pay taxes, take out a loan/mortgage, buy a house, and all the fucking forms that come with all that stuff.

    But thank fuck I know how to work out the circumference of a tree.


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  16. #16 dannyszu, Feb 23, 2015
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    Obviously school teaches people things. It must, why the fuck would you send your kids there? Now, does it allow for deep inquisition and questioning of authority in a respectable manner? Does it change all that much over time? Does the style change over the course of your duration there? Do you learn anything about yourself, how to love and accept who you are, how to deal with problems you've experienced in life? Does it further bridge the gap between authority and the common man? Do you learun more than just stuffing your face with a book? Do you come to know about how you learn best?

    Answer for yourself honestly.

    Edit; I like how OP ditched his thread lol
     
  17. #17 ReturnFire333, Feb 23, 2015
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    The stuff you listed could be learned in 2 years at home. The rest of it is stupid fucking bullshit.
     
  18. I agree. in this day and age basic knowledge can be learned at home. Shit, damn near everything taught from K-12 can be learned at the crib using khan academy. Like bro bro said, "The system is a "SYSTEM". It's an agenda behind it. 
     
  19. You have to supplement your education somehow. The basic curriculum is a useful tool, but in the end those courses add on to more specific career options.

    I was lucky enough to have to option to learn culinary skills, engineering design and automotive technology. I saw those options as a practical way to learn how to use my hands for a skill set, as opposed to pencil and paper. Not that there's anything wrong with being book smart. Leaning is a beautiful tool!

    Sure, schools may have money closer to their heart but it comes down to the teachers with their passion to educate young people to the best of their abilities. They're the people who make it count
     
  20. What system, though? Elementary, high school, college, etc? I am no fan of standardized testing and believe (at least from my own experiences) that HS does not properly prepare one for college. It is a lot of busy work with no highly detailed cognitive consequences. Is the difference between. A 16 y/o and 18 y/o that vast?
     

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