Creating a Mental Construct

Discussion in 'Religion, Beliefs and Spirituality' started by esseff, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. Look, let me be serious for a moment.
    \nI've had experiences, and I know many have too, that at the time leave no doubt that there is something real being revealed. But, as I don't take these moments and make a mental construct out of them, and I'm not experiencing these things all the time, there is nothing to BELIEVE about what they might actually mean, and I just get on with living my life.
    \nThat doesn't mean there wasn't something real there, but because there's no need to create a belief around it, there is no stance I need to take about life meaning this or that. If there was, it would form part of a mind-made construct, and therefore ultimately would not be true.
    \nThis is why those who recognise a mental construct when they see one feel a need to react to it.
    \nWe know there are many who hold mental positions, usually based on things they've read, a dogma or ideology, etc, and they decide they want it to be true. They then get all worked up when you tell them you don't agree. They have identified with these ideas so strongly that for them their ego would almost collapse if they did not consider themselves absolutely right. They need to accept this way of being completely, there can be no doubt, as that ensures their little bubble remains ‘tight' while they go about their lives.
    \nIf it makes someone feel good to do this that's fine, as it can still be a valid path to take, and doesn't mean they won't ever come to feel differently at some point, but when this way of rigid thinking is used to form the basis of oppression, suffering, and killing, then we get the kind of problems we have. The 2 biggest world religions are the main cause of this.
    \nSo, whether I state, as I have in other threads, ideas that allude to holding some belief, actually all I'm interested in is for everyone to take the stance, regardless of what they currently believe, that nobody has it all figured out, and it cannot hurt to leave room for the possibility that there may be more than seems obvious right now.

     
  2. Well said. Believing has an eerie tone to it as it assumes truth. Though helpful, it must forever be changing.

    Knowledge and doubt. Two sides of the same coin...you gotta doubt to attain truth.

    I find it absolutely absurd to hold any beliefs steadfastly. Is it not in our nature to strive for truth and understanding? Ridic.
     
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    It is, or at least it is important we recognise what is NOT truth and understanding so that perhaps along the way we might recognise what is.
     
    Yet, how often do we come to think we know something, then realise at some future point what we thought we knew is no longer right? It has been superseded by something we did not know then, were unaware of completekly, that now we do makes all the difference. If we had held resolutely to what we thought we knew we might never have realised this. And so it goes on.
     
    When is the time to decide there is no more to know? When is the time to think we have it all figured out?
     
  4. When we are infinity?
     
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    Having a construct lends itself to the promise of achieving some state of no more needing to know more. It promises knowing. While knowing can be powerful, it's also limiting. If we know something we won't explore something else. For a long time I knew that I needn't explore other things because I was so 'open' in what it was I believed. It blocks you from other possibility. If you know everything, how can it be all if it doesn't include what you don't know?
     
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    Exactly.
     
    And of course, I don't know what I don't know, and in believing I already do, I don't allow what might be near to make its way in and make a difference.
     
    This is the thing about making constructs - they can't be what they need to be, what they seem to be, unless they are closed to what is outside them.
     
    It is their nature to create the idea we experience, to make it seem real and certain, and for a time, it may be exactly what we need to feel to move us from where we were. But there may be a price to pay if we intertwine our ego with what it is, as the ego will want to make it into something, something it feels it has.
     
    If I already have it there is nothing else I need. But what is it I have? Only something that gives me the impression that I do. A delusion isn't very different.
     
  7. Keep it up esseff, i appreciate your insightfulness.
     
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    Well, I would probably want you to define what you mean by infinity first, but it's likely I would say:
     
     
    If I did in any way 'believe' that, I would end up having to make some kind of construct around it, and of course, that would not do.
    \nDo I FEEL there is something? Something that seems to have our interests at heart, organises, makes things happen, synchronistically, depending on what I put out, in a way, mechanically, automatically, because that is its nature?
    \nDo I feel we are a single thing, connected, part of something real, and there is nothing that is not this, outside this?
    \nYet even in looking at these things it is easy to create some idea about it, form some way of describing it, and in a forum, if one is to discuss things as we do, to do so without defining it using some kind of construct isn't easy.
    \nThe feeling is real, not the mind that needs to understand what it is. This is not something most of those who come to it via the biggest mental construct, organised religion, really appreciate.
    \nThe Jews don't hold images of God, or they don't intend to, for they get the abstract nature of this thing, but then they have hundreds of other mental aspects instead, rules, that are adhered to rigidly, daily, ensuring the bubble this creates encloses and will never be punctured.
    \nIt might feel nice being inside one, for it provides comfort and security that having one brings. Perhaps that is all one ever really needs if one feels the feeling that surrendering to it completely brings.
    \nSometimes the idea of seeking as if to find something that is missing seems flawed - for there is nowhere to go but here, now, and nothing to find that is not already within. But then, we experience life as if there is something outside us, over there, and so it is this we must work with to know what we already are.
     
     
     
  9. I knew you were going to be great.
     
    esseff I like it but I want to take it further !
    I believe there is a proper way to be, an absolute for conducting yourself in our human life. And if you are not sync
     
    you surely must be part of the problem.
    I have trouble figuring out sometimes, whether it is me or an external force out of sync. I am looking for the master settings you see.
    must avoid the bias trap every human before me has fallen to. Small individual victories.
     
    esseff do you have any stand out lessons for this day :)
     
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  11. Some wise lady told me this... there's things you know you know. there's the things you know you don't know. there's the things you don't know you know, and of course the things you don't know you don't know.

    Great things being said in his thread. For long I've wondered what is the ideal/perfect way to live or grow up. And while that is unattainable, it surely does help to try and evaluate. Who wants to write a book about it ?? :p
     
  12. Frame of reference creates the difficulty of course. If I start off on the wrong foot, I stumble. I find myself having to take a step back quite frequently when assessing the current situation, to find the middle ground or the truth of it all to reveal.
     
    Perhaps, but I believe it is improper to to uphold one self without settings to deal with the current culture they reside in.
    It would be very in-conducive to be programmed with racism, which reacting with your impulses upon seeing a black cop, would lead to you spending at last one night in lock up, so you most likely have settings that keep that from happening considering you are posting replies to me ;)
     
    Bias trap is the ultimate short coming in my brethren. Their gateway into this world is through their settings laiden body, so effectively they will form a subjective version of the universe to navigate. As their Universe is generated around them they declare; yup this is it, this is how it is !
    Errm no, you see my brethren ultimately assume that the obviously individualized universe is the real universe. I know without the shadow of a doubt that by accepting what universe you are experiencing is currently at the mercy of your soul and altered so to speak you can climb out and save not only yourself but our kind.
     
    Simply, the bias trap is not accepting that by being alive, and reading this message here I am writing taking it in, pondering about it and forming a reply - was only due in part and possible because you are delusional right now, you hold a certain aspect that is purely esseff all your beliefs and knowledge independent of the others you meet. You see that strive or grand metaphysical design you carved out in some made up realm called time located in some spatial plane called Earth floating out god knows where - Is your soul.
     
    esseff, muse with me. Imagine the vastness of the universe, try to go up so you are looking down on it like it were a map unrolled onto a table. now take your finger and point to where you currently are. Ever though about where you are positioned out in the universe. Like the orientation, where are you located, where is Earth or the Milkyway really?
     
    You cannot assume the universe you are in, is the truth in fact you should presume it is allusion ;)
     
  13. I'll have what he's having :p
     
  14. Neuro-transmitters  such as Serotonin, Melatonin, and Norepinephrine acting on your human body, form the seat of reality.
     
    The various amounts of those and others in addition to the Cannabis and Caffeine I ingest (adding yet more complex interactions) are what is forming the basis of my current psyche.
     
    If you were curious what I was having.
     

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