It's not nothing it's 'no thing'. Let's assume the universe is infinite for a second, and that our theories of space-time are just ideas. Would the space that all 'things' reside in not constitute nothing?
On second thought, it would depend. Is there an observer? If there is no one to observe it then who can say it exists?
That's one theory.. but if space is infinite, it will more than likely never be able to be broken down into ONE thing. There's no way to logically believe that a singularity could create infinite space. Now if it is finite, it could of come from one thing.. but seeing as all the "theories of everything" that try to reduce the universe down to one thing have all failed to do so, I see no reason to believe that you can point to one thing and say "that's it right there". Maybe we will someday, but I have my doubts.
that's only because you misunderstand my argument of "one thing" Space can and is infinite by definition if it is all that exists is it not? -yuri
I don't understand your question. If it is infinite, it is highly unlikely that it came from a singularity.. that it came from one thing. If it is infinite, that means there is an infinite amount of things within the universe and can never be reduced to one thing. You might be able to say "this specific thing came from that specific thing" but that is because anything specific comes from something else specific. If we found out that there was a singularity, that'd mean that the singularity came from something or a collection of somethings.. and what it came from came from something and so forth, never actually reaching a point where you can say that everything came from one thing.
I think i see the confusion. Yuris point - starting with one 1÷infinity = infinite number Mantikore point - starting with infinite Infinity x n cannot = 1 Both are true depending where you start right?
I think you are confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable. Like many mysteries, this one too may fall to science albiet for some time.
Can you think of any hypothetical explanation where it isn't true? Doesn't have to be scientifically accurate at all.
UNIverse. There is ONE manifest reality. We can divide it into near infinite parts, but it will still be one. If it were two, their interaction would still make one. The one homogeneous substance of reality was divided amongst itself. That is the nature of our world and everything in it.
Technically, the singularity wouldn't have a size.. but we could imagine it the best we can. Imagine a tiny pin point that is surrounded by literally nothing.. no space nor time, no universe.. and then BANG! It instantly creates an infinite universe.. that after that singularity big banging the universe into existence, no matter how far you traveled or any direction.. there would be the universe, space and time. It is infinite, so it'll never end. You could travel 100 billion light years.. there's the universe. Travel 283,287 trillion light years.. there's the universe. Travel 347,587,992,037,637,854 gabillion zillion light centuries.. there's the universe. Take that last asinine amount and give it a 10 fold (a 10 fold of 1 gives you 1,024) and travel that far.. and there would be the universe. It is infinite.. so no matter what insane distance you can think of, the universe would be there.. just chillin', existing. Sorry, but to believe that the infinite universe was able to instantly bang into existence from a single singularity is on par with believing God did it. Even if there was a singularity and a big bang.. then in a true infinite universe they would be happening an infinite amount of times, have happened an infinite amount of times, and will happen an infinite amount of times. Meaning there will never be ONE you can point at and say "that's it".. That's if you believe an infinite universe can just spring out from a singularity.. There are some who see it as coming from a singularity and infinitely creating space and time, but that would imply that the singularity is as the center of it all and radiating out from it. If that was the case, then how do we know the big bang didn't happen 38,278,375 billion years ago and the initial wave happened to radiate through our galactic neighborhood 14 billion years ago? Either way, a singularity and an infinite universe don't really click..
But it would still end up being at the center if it was only one singularity.. otherwise it'd have to create infinite space and time in a mere instant and extend for an infinite distance. Unless you're going to try to say that the infinite singularity extended infinitely into what would eventually become infinite space and time? In which case, it's not really a singularity. Not only that, we believe there are singularities today as well.. so what makes the first singularity special? If singularities can exist after the big bang singularity, why assume they couldn't exist before? Try to imagine yourself back then and viewing the big bang singularity.. the very moment that it bangs the universe into existence, no matter what distance you travel through space and time, the universe will be there. That is fanatical.. no better than saying God did it. 5 seconds after the big bang, you travel 4,726,492,659,275,620 light years in an instant from where it occurred and you'd find a the universe being 5 seconds old. Take that distance and double it 2,465 times and travel there in an instant and the universe would be there, 5 seconds old. That's ridiculous to believe that a single singularity could create all that in a mere moment.. unless there was/is/will be infinite singularities and not just one. Like I said, an infinite universe coming from one singularity, infinite or not, does not click.. and is just one theory on how the universe came to be. It will only click for those who haven't actually tried to apply the concept of an infinite universe to the singularity.
look at this another way. Infinite existence is impossible because existence is measurable. What is actually infinite is the development? Lets do a thought experiment. What would happen if you traveled to the "edge" of the universe? You would extend the boundry merely by being there. Its infinite in the sense that it has no end or boundary, but it is still something that exists. The infinite part isn't the universe itself, but rather the development of reality, which endlessly realizes itself. -yuri
Going off your logic for an infinite existence.. the universe couldn't be infinite because we can measure it. You can say "well.. only certain aspects of it are measurable and therefore the whole can be infinite" and that would mean that existence can be infinite as we are only able to measure certain aspects of it and not the whole. In an infinite universe, there would be no edge to begin with. You pretty much said the same thing with extending the border once you reach it.. but that point is null and void because there never would of been any sort or edge or border, ever. Since there is no edge, a truly infinite universe wouldn't even have a shape as there are no borders to define the shape. You wouldn't travel to the edge of reality and then create more reality beyond that just by realizing it.. as it was already there.