<blockquote>Hello everyone. So I'm working on a vacuum oven with a focus on simplicity. Here's a shot of the current design. I got more shots on my site, The Bhoulder. Here are some points that I want it to have, Dial temperature controls Vacuum gauge Hookups to a vacuum pump with a ball valve Pyrex for the main dish so I can blast into it and then use the same dish for heated vacuum purging Reasonably priced, shooting for around $500 All in one device Reasonably sized I'm looking for feedback to optimize the design before I go into manufacturing. I made a feedback form that you can fill out if you have some spare time, Bhoulder Feedback, or just leave some comments/questions here. I want to make sure I'm making something the community wants. Thanks, Motifaded</blockquote>
Then why is it $500? It's not even an all in one considering you have to purchase a separate vacuum pump.
It's small because it fills a particular need that isn't filled yet. It is supposed to be a way for small time and new guys who blast to be able to make clean oil with out much hassle. I do want to make it work for bigger guys too but that is the main intention. The $500 comes from the custom lid, the custom shell, the engineering behind it, making sure it's very safe, etc. It might seem pricey but it is similar in complexity and price to the volcano vaporizer, which is just air passing over a heated coil into a chamber. If things turn out cheaper than I had hoped then I'll be reducing the price but as it is now I'm pushing to get the price down.
Sorry, but as a beginner/small time guy I'd sooner just buy a nice pump, chamber, and hot plate and still have $100 in my pocket.
Yeah and that's fine. I'm sure there will be people that will still prefer buying multiple separate components and piecing it together to save money. We just want to make it easier so people who want to things to just work. Appreciate the feedback. I'm curious, what would you want if you could have any device to help out your extraction process?
Yes to the vacuum pump, but we may pack hosing and valves in with it. We are thinking about making an 'accessory pack' with lots of things to help with extraction. Eventually we would like to make a design with a vacuum integrated into it.
I feel its a bit pricy man. You can buy a whole set with vac pump/chamber for half the price of this. I really like the idea of it, but the price definitly drives me away. Also youd have to limit your runs due to the small size. The blast, with the fit in pyrex is sweet, controlling temps is sweet. Could you lower design price of the shell, or prices in general. Custom looks are cool and all, but more money in our wallets looks better. If you could lower abit, youd get sales going, people would feel as if they are getting a good price for a good product, rather than overpaying. Im talking lowering prices WITH a vac pump included.5 bills is crazy high for this, at least to me
Thanks for the feedback, really helps. I definitely understand where you are coming from and personally I am the person who just wants to get it done as cheap as possible. My original thought was if you're trying to save money and don't care about looks then you'd just go with best value vac, so we should create an alternative option which focuses on user friendliness and simplicity. I feel like we are taking the volcano vaporizer approach to our design in a way and the price of the volcano is significantly higher than the competition. Also since you can do the entire process of extraction with our device, the only thing you could buy to do all of that would be a closed loop extractor priced at $1200+. This is definitely one of the tougher decisions: clean and custom vs cheap and dirty. What price range would you be looking for?
Why not both of them? Maybe make more cheap/"dirty" than the custom desined product, being you wouldnt sale as many of the higher end. Price for somthing like this? It being a small purge space instead of the bigger chamber I prefer, around$300 max..I wanna say $200-$250 range being Id have to "buy" (if I didnt own one) a vac pump just to get this running which is another $100-$200. Idk how much cost is and all that, and what you at least would need to make back but this is my 2cents
Yeah I'd love to do both and we might expand to that, but I need to pick one to start with. We have lots of ideas for future stuff too. For instance you seem like you want a design that can handle lots of oil at once and the blasting aspect may not be as important to you. We have talked about a multi staged vacuum that can handle multiple slabs that just uses metal which would help reduce the cost a lot. Is that something you would be more interested in? If so then we are planning on coming out with that product later. It's tough because I want to make the Bhoulder appeal to everyone but what the market doesn't have right now is an all in one unit to blast and purge with, which is different than what the big blasters need. They want a cheap and effective vacuum oven and the pyrex/blasting aspect doesn't matter as much. What are you're thoughts on that analysis?
It looks to me as though you plan on marketing this under the assumption that you can just blast, pull a vac on it until theres no bubbles and its done? if thats the case then your thinking is very wrong. I could see this being useful for pulling a vac on a pyrex before scraping it but i can do that with my 3gal chamber.
My focus is to bring an extremely simple vacuum oven to the market so people can quickly start making clean oils. I understand where you are coming from and since there are so many ways to make oil it's unrealistic to assume it will be used in any particular fashion. I'm working on a re-design now to make it larger so it fits the needs of more people.
I would be interested in something like this because if I want to make concentrates I would only be doing it for myself and not for resale. If only it ran for like three bills. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Definitely understandable, not everyone will want our product but we hope to at least provide an option for people looking to get a simplified system that 'just works'. And maybe things will change on the price when we release it, but I can't guarantee anything. Thanks for the feedback either way, I really do take these comments into consideration.