quick nutrient question. need some advice

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  1. #1 Deleted member 833875, Jan 11, 2015
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    hey guys I'm currently a month into my first successful grow and i had a question for the city. I'm currently using technaflora recipe for success nutrients. i guess there good cuz my plants are doing good.
     
    i just hate using like 10 different things its just kind of a ballbuster. i was thinking of switching to general hydroponics flora series. i was also going to get there calmagic since I'm using RO water.
     
    my question is does anyone know if GH is better then technaflora. i know GH is very well known and widely used so i think ill be good, but does anyone use technaflora and swear by them or anything. 
     
    also i was looking at advanced nutrients 3 part ph perfect, i like these just because advanced nutrients seem legit as fuck and the price isn't much more then the other brands. 
     
    any advice?

     
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    Advanced Nutrients will have you using more products than you already are.  Back when I was considering using them I was looking at Veg A, Veg B, Micro probably comes in two parts too, Bloom A, Bloom B, Connoisseur A, Connoisseur B and Bud Candy as a very minimal (believe it or not) utilization of the AN product line.
     
    There's tons more products out there by AN.
     
    Or you could just go the smart route and avoid any of that Advanced Nutrients shenanigans that will leave your wallet empty and your shelves filled with a dozen or more different products by buying Dyna-Gro.
     
    Famously Dyna-Gro beat Advanced Nutrients in a comparison grow somewhere on a forum like this.  In fact, Dyna-Gro is so good you can just give a plant Bloom during flower, nothing else and you will still beat the AN line in every category except yield.
     
    Do note that DG won all around in the legitimate comparison where the full product line was utilized.
     
    Dyna-Gro spent 5 years doing research into creating one part formulas for things that normally come in 2 or even 3 part formulas where every part in the formula is a full priced bottle.
     
    All you need for a good grow with Dyna-Gro is Foliage Pro during the vegetative state (that formula is recommended by growers and Dyna-Gro itself for vegging cannabis over their Grow formula for some reason) and Bloom + Magpro during Flower.
     
    They have another product called Pro-Tekt which is a silica-based formula which is useful for strengthening a plant's cellular wall which has a variety of benefits.  It increases resistance to pests and fungi (failed for me with a serious leaf eating problem even in conjunction with Neem oil pesticide), heat and cold, drought and generally strengthens the stems of the plant.
     
    Supposedly Dyna-Gro's founder is the one who discovered that plants benefit from silica.
     
    Also please keep in mind that while a pint of Dyna Gro is a couple dollars more expensive than a bottle of, say, Veg A from Advanced Nutrients if I remember correctly you have to remember that Dyna-Gro isn't asking you to buy a second or even third bottle to complete that Grow/Bloom formula and furthermore have concentrated their fertilizer so extensively that you use only 2.5 ml per gallon of water versus over 7 ml per gallon for AN's Bud Candy.
     
    Don't get suckered into the Advanced Nutrients hype:  while their nutrients obviously produce results there is a certain degree of.... uh, bullshit involved with that company.  Lot's of hype and whatnot.
     
    Honestly they take advantage of people's lack of information on fertilizer and sucker people into paying top dollar for an absurd array of different and unnecessary as separate items products by making their nutrients out to be cannabis-specific.
     
    As if you need special fertilizer to grow weed.  And admittedly I fell for that one too but I was guided onto the right path by some observant individuals who all collectively frown on AN's tendency to hype themselves up so much and require so much money to feed some damned plants.
     
    Here's some useful material on Dyna-Gro to get you up to speed as to how competent the makers are and how effective the product is.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jojOwf8CxA
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFpZjvwKBo
     
    While I have every reason to believe that Dyna-Gro is what I claim it to be (and you will too if you watch even 10 minutes of that Dude Grows Show interview) please keep in mind that I am a very inexperienced grower who is just beginning.
     
    But the results don't lie: Dyna-Gro is amazing and I can vouch for that with the monster rose bush I have growing in the backyard plus the ridiculous tendency of non-cannabis plants given DG to develop tree-sized leaves I've noticed with the roses and some flowers.
     
  3. From what I've read, nutrients are nutrients. They all use the same core ingredients to feed the plant. It all comes down to branding. Some brands specify their NPK ratio and other nutrients for cannabis.A basic GH regimen will work fine. All of these plant supplements are like bodybuilding supplements. You guys spending $100s in whey powder, fish oil, etc. When really they look no different than any other guys that's been lifting the same amount of time. It all comes down to genetics. You aren't going to get huge buds just because you add $1,000 worth of supplements. Just stick to a Grow/Bloom/Micro regimen. Give it good lighting, fresh water, and keep the PPM/PH levels adequate.
     
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  4. #4 orphancow, Jan 11, 2015
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    I use DG and this is my first grow. After all the research I did, I feel like DG is the best path for me at least. All your needs in one bottle with Dynagro.

    I will add that I have only added nutrients to my bubble bucket but not to my coco seedlings. I think they need a few more leaves?
     
  5. #5 Deleted member 830888, Jan 11, 2015
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    That's just not correct.  The fact is most nutrients are totally incomplete and I have proof.
     
    Also Advanced Nutrients is fucking ridiculous and will have you buying 12 or more different products to get what you get out of only 2 or 3 Dyna-Gro products.
     
    Futhermore Advanced Nutrients requires 7.6 ml of Bud Candy per gallon of water.  Compare that to 2.5 ml of Dyna-Gro Grow or Bloom.
     
    And yes, Dyna-Gro contains the .5% magnesium found in Bud Candy in every formula of Grow and likely Bloom and Foliar Pro.
     
    Even more furthermore you can get even more than Bud Candy and DG Bloom/Gro with DG Mag Pro which is a solid 2% magnesium.
     
    Dyna-Gro doesn't fuck around with sugar supplements like the 5 carbohydrates found in Bud Candy because that shit is a scam and does nothing for you.
     
    Ever notice how on the bottle of Bud Candy it says absolutely nothing in the guaranteed analysis about sugars, vitamins and whatnot?
     
    So, you can either save money, time, effort and a possible nutritional deficiency by going with Dyna Gro, or you could spend TONS AND TONS of money and spend a good 15 minutes with every bucket mixing in 12 or more different products with Advanced Nutrients or you can go to Home Depot or Green Thumb and buy some regular old commercial fertilizer that, as you clearly can see in my image, is going to be inadequate.
     
    Edit: Oh, and yes I'm not really familiar with fertilizer components but Dyna-Gro ALSO doesn't mess around with urea nitrogen.  You won't find any pee in Dyna-Gro.
     

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    I've read that you need to be pretty careful about giving nutrients to seedlings.  I would do some Googling or try Grow Weed Easy.com and see how many nodes you need before the plant is strong enough.
     
    Me, I don't do it like that.  I start giving nutrients in a couple weeks because I found that nutrient deficiency can crop up within 3 weeks, though admittedly I'm now using some nicer soil so maybe I can wait some more...
     
  7. I never said they all had the same concentration.
     
  8. #8 Deleted member 830888, Jan 11, 2015
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    You still don't get it man.  And that's OK but you need to understand that there is literally things missing from most commercial fertilizers.
    Now, you probably aren't dealing in Miracle Gro and Schultz plant foods so OK I see where you're coming from but the fact is this:
     
    Advanced Nutrients is supposed to be the best in the industry.  They will give your plants good nutrition, though it's pretty clear from the evidence that you'll get nutrient burn at AN's recommended dosage.
     
    The point is AN has spread plant nutrition as thin and into as many different products as humanly possible and that's just fleecing people.
     
    Dyna-Gro just so happens to be a REAL commercial grower's choice nutrient (I'm not talking basement cannabis growers... I'm talking million-dollar agricultural business) and that's a fact.
     
    Edit:  Peace and pot.
     
    Don't believe me?  I got a tip from Dyna-Gro.  Look into Sunpulse Lamps for indoor lights and tell me I have a bad reference.
     
  9. Yep sounds about right. Dynagro calls for 1/4 tsp up to 1 tsp per gallon. Me being stupid I just went ahead fed on on second watering. Woke up the next morning to some yellow tips. I could only imagine if I had used a full strength solution. So No more nutes until the third set or so form. They were planted on the second and recovered quite well.

    The hydrobucket calls for 2-3 teaspoons. Per gallon I actually added only 1 teaspoon when I saw the roots we about 6 inches into the water and it's never had a problem. Definitely much bigger that the coco cups.
     
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    I agree with you. I'm just saying picking a brand from another isn't what gives you big yields. It's a multitude of factors. I personally dislike AN because they break down the essentials into 4-6 different bottles charging $30-50 each instead of having it all in one like many other brands, such as Dyna-Grow. I find it misleading to sell people on 3 different supplements and 3 nutrient solutions to get the same result as buying one bottle from another brand, for 100% less costs.
     
  11. Thumbs up again man.
     
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    I know I've read a lot about DEA busts where these large growers were using Dyna-Grow. I've also seen some newer medicinal farms in Cali and they use nothing but Nectar of the Gods. I think GH is popular because it's relatively cheap. I've only used GH. But I've been curious about Nectar of the Gods ever since I went on that tour. It's organic based, so I don't know how well it'd do in my DWC.
     

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