I have 11 bag seed plants going under 600 watt HPS in soil and I'm curious why 2 of my plans are rock solid buds but the others feel for lack of a better word spongey ? Now my heat has not been controlled they are all full flower one will be ready in the next four five days and the rest have about 2 weeks I have a big fan coming Tuesday tomorrow to help with heat but since they are all in the same room same times same nutrients same everything and right next to each other with rock hard bud and spongy bud why aren't they all rock hard? And is it really bad that they are spongy? This is my first HPS grow I have always done CFLs Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Different plants are different. There isn't much else to add. If their environment was identical just put it down to genes
We're the spongey buds grown on the outside edge of your lights footprint? Maybe they weren't getting enough, while the plants more directly in the light were able to dense up, just a thought
Hmmm no the spongey bud and hard bud literetly right next to each other haha but my main concern was mold. Didn't know if that was why it would be spongy cuz I thought that was a sign of mold thanks for the help Pic from a distance the spongy bud is the bigger cola in back left side the hard cola is directly below it (if you can see it) but the other picture shows it up close little better thanks again! Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Its bending for the light, the lower buds were probably really shaded. I bet that's what happened. If you don't have enough light its a fairly common reason for airy buds. Less plants or more light should set ya straight....I would go for many many more plants and a shit ton more light
11 plants under 600 watts is too many plants. The ideal setup would be 150 watts for the first plant, and then add 100 watts for each additional plant. Your current setup gives less than 60 watts per plant. I ran 8 plants under 600 watts and was thankful to pull 3 males because of the lack of light coverage.
Ahh yes and no... I have seen it several times 16 plants under 1 600 watt hps avg yield of ounce and half per plant... now my setup was rushed and so I didn't follow the "rules" lol had bunch bag seed threw into 15 small pots and one In a larger pot (where you can see the bud hanging is the one used big pot for) it vegged 3 weeks longer and I didn't keep light close causing majorrr stretch on all of them giving me unporportioned canopy... I know less light makes airy but wouldn't that mean the big bud hanging unshaded (and I bent it down that way) wouldn't it be rock solid and the lowrr shaded bud be airy? I guess that's where my confusion lies but maybe just genetica... or maybe more heat since closer to light could that be causing the airyness? I've learned a lot of things for my next grow after the new year with some autos but just amazed me the amount of denseness in lower cola than the larger cola blocking it > cheeers!! And thanks for all the help and tips )) Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Agreed brixfix!! More plants and mor lights sound great! will be adding some extra T5 lights that my buddy gave me. First hps grow compared to my cfls even with all the different mess ups I will def say this grow will be totally amazing compared to cfls!! ) though I'm sure you no that already > Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Hold up before adding more plants. The light you're adding will be lucky to cover what your lacking now. You go adding more plants without a considerable amount of more light you're just going to make things worse. An extra t5 isn't probably going to warrant more plants.
I'm not saying adding more plants ordered 12 autos going to see how those pan out also adding ventilation as right now hot air just blowing around unfortunately... but since I haven't harvested yet going wait and see whether I wan do 12 or skim baxk Lil bit. Everything looks good now but anything can change at harvest time lol Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Funk d good point I have been able feel the humidity inside room.. cheap fix idea? And could that lead to mold? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
You already don't have enough light, that's why the plants are bending. Adding a 12th plant isnt going to help. That t5 isn't going to make up for the shortage you already have let alone cover more plants. Humidity issues would effect the entire room, not saying it didn't contribute. But if some are rock hard and others on the outside where there should be more air movement and less humidity were fluffy, there's more to it then just humidity
I have had rock hard bud from 20w CFLs. It's isn't about the light, he has a 600w HPS. A 600w will adequately cover an area up to a 4'x4' I'm sure the humidity is the same throughout the whole area so it can't be that. My environments are always about the same, some plants have denser buds than others. Generally indica dominant plants are denser and sativa dominant plants are looser It doesn't matter how many plants you have under a light, it's the area that matters. 1x 4'x4' plant requires the same amount of light as 16x 1'x1' plants
True brixfix but that's the thing the airy buds We're in direct light and the rock hard ones where directly under the airy buds and we're shaded... and their not bending due or light. That's due to me. I bent some completely down and some at other angles along with the weight weighing it down... don't get me wrong I'm no expert on growing but everything I just said controdicts everything you just said? Not saying your "wrong" but that's not the situation in this case. As explained before the bending isn't due to not enough light is directly under the light but between me pushing for slight bend and the weight of the bud it's leaning. This plant wasn't on the outside and you talk about not enough light that's why they are airy? Well then explain why, going with your theories of right and wrong, why was the rock solid bud shaded by the big bud it's entire life but was rock hard and I mean rock solid? Wouldn't it be opposite going with what your saying as I don't have enough light? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Thank you goldgrower.. beat me to it and I think your right just wish I knew the genetics of all plants but I do have a pretty good idea just going off of the different styles the plants have of which strains are same. That plant also finished quicker than all others and rest still have a bit to go (chopped rock hard last nifht probably indica... thanks for all the thoughts and ideas guys really appreciate it.. seems to be primarily a strain issue... now to throw another case... how much would heat affect it? Could it have been more dense due to be further from light and not as much heat? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Only problem with this idea is if you combine humidity and less direct light hitting the spongy buds. Direct light hitting the hard ones better will grow tighter buds, and keeps them "dry" compared to shaded buds on the same plant. So yeah, it's possible that if the spongy ones were initially in less directly lit areas, and the humidity was up that you could have a fungal issue....but not all that likely. Grab a magnifier and examine them, to know for sure. Most likely, though, like Gold's saying, just plain old genetics.
When using magnifier to look for mold what exactly are you looking for? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Thanks again for all the use full help and advice folks Sent from my SCH-I545 using Grasscity Forum mobile app