Is every moment that you let pass by where you don't take advantage of life - or an opportunity - purely coincidence? Have you ever been high in the mind? Not so much high like high on the kind, but deep. Think of all the answers that already in your head. Remember that time when you almost put together all the notes of that symphony of thoughts in your head into something powerful, and lost it? Interrupted by the familiar chorus of that song that was stuck in your head the day before. Is the brain trying to outthink you? Is the duality of man vs authority the subconscious and real struggle of the thinking ego and a brain whose first priority is to stay alive. Observe for a moment an animal with a brain and ask yourself "is there a thinker in there?" In many cases you can clearly see that the actions taken are only in the interest of keeping itself alive. Some enjoy recreation. Very few seem to show the same sort of peculiarity that comes from our ability to create new forms of data in our brain since language was formed. We did evolve a much more impressive brain than some of our cousins who share life. It feels as if there is more to us. Have you ever tried to reach some sort of epiphany, some great new understanding? Beyond anything material science can begin to touch? Something that which is beyond language. It made sense to you the whole way through but when you went to tie the ribbon, the box was gone. Does the brain fear some knowledge and encourage another? Does it fear you will blow yourself up? Did we humans once feel its presence of slicing and veiling information as power? Did we call it god? Is there across the universe of galaxies, planets with many brains big and small. Is the brain the ultimate organism? The cellular life that came to the epiphany to create something around it? Skin and blood and circulation and efficiencies to prolong the life. Is the brain the ultimate parasite? Taking control and designing ways to prolong its life and multiply. Is the mind that we are slowly but surely evolving ourselves to become like the mind of god, going to make it? Or is it going to wipe itself out? Did other brains in the universe make it to that transcendence? Is there then, truly a great one mind that holds it all in, or is that great mind enveloped in another? Is it what we call infinite? Is it meant to be difficult? After all we revere only very few geniuses in the world. Great powerful figures of human achievement in art and science and even deception. Are they closer to it than you or I? What if you think you're close to it? Are you insane? Do I sound insane? I think I want to get as close as I can. I think I want to take everything in that I can. We've made it this far going against the authority of nature itself. The perfect nature is nothing. A void. But life fights against it. So then we must also be against authority of others. Great powerful figures of deception. The guards at the gates of higher knowledge that try to take your tools. The rogues that have gone rogue. The greater organism that fears the idea of very possible death on its way to immortality. We have to scale the walls. We have to break through to the other side. If you have courage than move forward. If you miss the comfort of nature, move back. Enjoy life. But we must try to remove fear and fight against those who would oppress us. Keep knowledge from us. Take us further from ascendence. That is the only enemy. Fear of ourselves, administered by ourselves, to keep us from realizing our Self.
Cool thought. I had an experience on an unnamed pizza topping where I thought I figured out the point of life. Like I swear to god I had it but I could not put it into words. After I sobered up though I lost it. I felt so close, but yet so far from understanding. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
My brain is destroyed and IDGAF. ME: Hey brain, you trying to out think yourself again? BRAIN: Yeah.....where's Pinky?
I like the title and adress it as there's a lot of tangents you could get into with the OP lol. The brain is capable of thinking about anything. anything conceivable to the being behind the mind can be tossed and toiled within the mind. It is then crucial to allow the mind be vacant. In the vacancy is discipline of the mind, a way of Controlling it. As many have experienced, it trails off and does its own thing rendering the feeling that you just lost time for something of no value. No - thought encompasses thoughtfulness. The mind is hungry and wants attention, it will fight through your concentration and meditation with anything it knows may deter you from your work. Dunno where I wanted to go with this but I had an idea when I started at what I was getting at and just threw a bunch together hah. Story of my life.
All I know is that humans are the one animal that can chose to resist natural urges by using foresight Animals require imediet repetition of pain to learn not to act on impulse Humans can rationalize without threat of immediate risk -yuri
The sad thing about getting really high and thinking on such grandioso ideas is that they are often easily countered by very simple suggestions. All though that isn't entirely the kind of fear I was proposing. It is a damn good point. The human brain does and has seemed to rationalize itself out of cyclical Life/Death Friendly/Threatening natures that most all animals have not escaped. My proposal in that whole mess of my OP that almost sounds like a cult doctrine when I re read it (Lol) is.. Can our brains completely beat out its own systems of selectively forgetting details of the day, sending signals of fear in the brain when you walk down a pitch black hallway that could have monsters (possibly left over from when were still snuggly in the food chain), and many other base and reptilian tendencies that we still very much have..., and.., still survive? Which will come first.. The human brain's potential 100% tapped into, or, self destruction from pursuing that very notion? Idk its almost like a sci fi script I wrote in the OP. I need to get that stoned again.
Humans aren't the only animal.. Dogs most certainly can and do, and they don't require pain to learn. That's an old mindset that sadly is still around. Animals, mostly mammals, can go against their natural urges, its not common, but its not rare. Now they can't get as complex and involved as we can, you can't really sit around pondering in nature as an animal.. but there is nothing unique about our brains other than the complexity.
The difference between the conscious mind and subconscious mind is this; that the conscious mind is a mind that is thinking about its own thoughts (monitoring itself), and the subconscious mind is merely having thoughts (not monitoring itself). With those possessing a larger imagination (artists/scientists), a greater familiarity with the latter will be common, due to the free-floating/unsupervised contemplative nature of ''imagining'', (which on a side-note often induces a feeling of mental tranquillity/peace, like meditating does), IMO. EDIT; I don't know if this is entirely relevant, but I just picked out a few things from your post and gave my opinion on them, however impertinent they might seem. ^_^.
The more we learn, the more we realize we aare the same as our kin. So the question becomes, do we consider humans animals? Or do we consider ananimals human? Let me ask you something. If dogs are thinking feeling organisms that feel happiness, then what difference is there between a dog and a human when considering rights? If what you say is true and humans are just complex animals, how do we justify eating animals if we don't need to? How do we justify enslaving and harming them? Because they aren't of our DNA? -yuri
Why does anything need to be justified? Human nature comes from nature.. and in nature, anything goes. Justification is like the meaning of life, there really is none.. so you find it wherever and however you want. You can consider humans as animals.. because we are, but not all animals are human. If an animal had a sense, you can pretty much guarantee that they have emotions meant to react to what they sense.. so instead of looking at what makes us different, look at what makes us the same.. emotions. Look at a dog like a dog, look at a human like a human.. but look at them all as emotional creatures. I don't justify anything I really do.. I am an animal living my one life to live. If I'm walking down the road, I'll feel the same exact way as helping someone change their tire as I would helping a worm cross the sidewalk after a rain. To me, it all but the same.. so you could probably ask "why be positive to them at all?" And that's because you'll go so much further with an animal with positive reinforcement/love than you would with fear and pain. I mean, you probably don't think that you have to inflict pain on your children for them to learn do you? So why think that of any other animal? Like I said, human nature comes from nature.. pick out a human concept and I'll probably be able to pick out its animal kingdom counterpart. There's murder, rape, slavery, war, love, hate, gluttony and greed, paranoia, fear, communities, and all sorts of "human" stuff found in nature.
Right but morality is not subjective so justification does matter. You wouldn't kill a human. Is that just because you share blood? Or because murder is wrong? -yuri
Pretty sure morality is subjective.. seeing as different individuals have different morals. Unless you believe morals are handed down from a higher power, I don't see how you'd think morality isn't subjective. I don't kill humans cause I don't have to.. and I don't kill any animals or insects unless I have to. If I absolutely had to kill another human, I would and highly doubt I'd lose any sleep over it. That is, provided I had to. Now if I robbed a human of their life for no reason, that would bother me.. some, but the same kind of bothered I'd get if I killed an animal I didn't have to. Circling back, do you think inflicting pain on your children is the best way to teach them?
Its not subjective. The reason its wrong to kill is because you could be the one getting killed Do to others as you would have done to yourself. Is basic rights 101 and it's not subjective It has nothing to do with a higher authority. Its just logical mutualism. You don't have to OK It depends. Is this really relevent though? Back on topic: if you don't need meat to survive (you don't), then by your own examples above, why support the needless slaughter of innocent lives? -yuri
This right here is going to result in going round in circles.. While that is how I usually go about treating people, how I would like to be treated, doesn't mean that that is an objective moral code. It is my subjective moral code, doesn't mean it's everyone else's. There is nothing in this world, this life, this universe that creates an objective moral code. You, the subject, create (or get indoctrinated with) your own subjective moral code. Because morals are subjective and I like to eat meat? You don't need a computer and cell phone where half the parts were created with under paid/child labor, so why support the needless unfair labor of innocent lives? Probably because you want to use a computer or cell phone.
That's not true. This is where empathy comes in. Maybe people want to be treated differently, but everyone knows no one wants to die. Let me put this another way. Mutualism is not subjective. Its a fact that we can all benefit from working together more so than alone. Mutualism is essentially objective morality Idk about that. Those people working "unfair" jobs to make these things, are actually better off then before when we didn't. Its called evolution. In general life is improving for everyone even sweatshop workers over time Edit: would you say its wrong yo eat another human? Assuming you could get away with it, does the lack of consequences make it OK? -yuri
Pain is an excellent teacher. It is immediate in its deliverance of consequences forming a solid bond between action and reaction. It is probably the 'best' in that it's the fastest way to convey the 'rules' of a given situation throughout the animal kingdom. I'm probably dissecting the word 'pain' a bit too far down the rabbit hole but I wonder if almost all of life's teachings aren't somehow tethered to some measure of pain or it's avoidance. I'm a fairly optimistic person and not trying to come off as some 'ohh life is so dark and filled with pain...gonna go listen to Morrisey and brood' person but pain has the power to alter behavior with immediacy and duration with a single episode...fuck it I'm baked.
Itself. What do you group into that which you call a self? In reality, the distinctions we make in determining an entity versus it's environment are entirely arbitrary. Imagine the nucleus of a cell if you will. By itself, all alone, we could say it occupies an interesting universe in which it has an exorbitant amount of power of it's surroundings. Drifting within the confines of a small world filled with cytoplasm and a whole number of other elements that, in conjunction, allow us to encapsulate them under the heading of one entity. Where do we draw the line? What entity is singular? The most basic particulate that can no longer be visibly divided or comprehended to have further parts and pieces. Is that what we could call a self? What service does one part, of such composition, render for itself? Truth be told, how can it render any service to itself? It has neither a state of this or that of it's own accord, singular and indivisible. It has one state, unchangeable. Yet, in the world outside itself it can be seen to play an integral role in various relationships. Becoming a piece in a great system. How many countless and arbitrary lines we must draw in order for self and other! Against. Think about the idea of it. That word itself of course. We separate alive and dead. We've lost the very essence of reality in such ideas. What is there for more than a fleeting moment? Every flower wilts, its friends become its enemies and its enemies its friends. But what was there to begin with? What is there now?
If no one wanted to die, why do people commit suicide? That's pretty silly to think.. Not everyone follows mutualism.. people subjectively follow it. Sure, you can say it's a fact that we can all benefit from working together.. just as much as I can say it's a fact that a group of people can use another group of people to gain whatever it is they want with no benefit to those being used. I seriously hope you're kidding here.. Like, I feel like you're just pulling shit out your ass just so you aren't wrong with morals being subjective. Whatever state of mind you were in when you wrote this, revisit it when you're not in that state of mind.. Just because I like to eat meat doesn't mean I like to eat all meat.. but if I were born into a cannibalistic tribe where that was my way of life, I doubt I'd have any qualms about it.
LOL. Ok I'm convinced you are a sociopath. It all makes sense now No wonder you don't understand this Fyi suicidal thoughts aren't natural, most people change their mind. OK you win -yuri