Legal US Pot Undercutting Mexican Marijuana

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  1. #1 Storm Crow, Dec 1, 2014
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    Legal Pot In The U.S. May Be Undercutting Mexican Marijuana

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/12/01/367802425/legal-pot-in-the-u-s-may-be-undercutting-mexican-marijuana?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=storiesfromnpr

    Made-in-America marijuana is on a roll. More than half the states have now voted to permit pot for recreational or medical use, most recently Oregon, Alaska and the District of Columbia. As a result, Americans appear to be buying more domestic marijuana, which in turn is undercutting growers and cartels in Mexico.

    "Two or three years ago, a kilogram of marijuana was worth $60 to $90," says Nabór, a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa. "But now they're paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It's a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they'll run us into the ground."

    Nabór declines to give his surname because his crop is illegal. The interview takes place on a hillside outside of Culiacán, Sinaloa, located in Mexico's marijuana heartland. We stand next to a field of knee-high cannabis plants, their serrated leaves quivering in a warm Pacific breeze. The plot is on communal land next to rows of edible nopal cactus.

    He kneels and proudly shows me the resinous buds on the short, stocky plants. This strain, called Chronic, is a favorite among growers for its easy cultivation, fast flowering and mood-lifting high. Nabór, who says he's grown marijuana since he was 14, says the plants do not belong to him.

    "My patrón pays me $150 a month, but I have to plant it exactly the way he wants," he says. "He provides the water pump, gasoline, irrigation hoses, fertilizer, everything."

    An Army Of Small-Scale Growers

    There's an image of Mexican traffickers with shiny pickups, fancy boots, and shapely girlfriends. But Nabór says most people who grow marijuana for the Sinaloa Cartel are just campesinos like him.

    He drives a motorcycle, and supports a wife and two kids. He says he grows pot to supplement his other work, which consists of collecting firewood and raising cactus. He says everybody plants a little marijuana here.

    "This is dangerous work to cultivate it and to sell it. If the army comes, you have to run or they'll grab you. Look here, we're only getting $40 a kilo. The day we get $20 a kilo, it will get to the point that we just won't plant marijuana anymore."

    The slumping economics of Mexican marijuana was not unexpected.

    Two years ago, the Mexican Institute of Competitiveness, in a study entitled "If Our Neighbors Legalize," predicted the drug cartels would see their cannabis profits plummet 22 to 30 percent if the United States continued to decriminalize marijuana.

    At one time, virtually all the weed smoked in the states, from Acapulco Gold to Colombian Red, came from south of the border.

    Not anymore.

    "We're still seeing marijuana. But it's almost all the homegrown stuff here from the states and from Canada. It's just not the compressed marijuana from Mexico that we see," says Lt. David Socha, of the Austin Police Department narcotics section.

    His observation is confirmed by the venerable journal of the marijuana culture, High Times Magazine.

    "American pot smokers prefer American domestically grown marijuana to Mexican grown marijuana. We've seen a ton of evidence of this in the last decade or so," says Daniel Vinkovetsky, who writes under the pen name Danny Danko. He is senior cultivation editor at High Times and author of The Official High Times Field Guide to Marijuana Strains.

    U.S. domestic marijuana, some of it cultivated in high-tech greenhouses, is three or four times more expensive than Mexican marijuana. Vinkovetsky says prices for Mexican weed continue to slide because it's so much weaker.

    He says American cannabis typically has 10 to 20 percent THC - the ingredient that makes a person high - whereas the THC content of so-called Mexican brickweed is typically 3 to 8 percent.

    "Mexican marijuana is considered to be of poor quality generally because it's grown in bulk, outdoors, it's typically dried but not really cured which is something we do here in the U.S. with connoisseur-quality cannabis," he says. "And it's also bricked up, meaning that it's compressed, for sale and packaging and in order to get it over the border efficiently."

    Reversing The Flow

    In order to service the U.S. market, police agencies report some Mexican crime groups grow marijuana in public lands in the West.

    And there's a new intriguing development.

    DEA spokesman Lawrence Payne tells NPR that Sinaloa operatives in the United States are reportedly buying high-potency American marijuana in Colorado and smuggling it back into Mexico for sale to high-paying customers.

    "It makes sense," Payne says. "We know the cartels are already smuggling cash into Mexico. If you can buy some really high-quality weed here, why not smuggle it south, too, and sell it at a premium?"

    The big question is whether the loss of market share is actually hurting the violent Mexican drug mafias?

    "The Sinaloa Cartel has demonstrated in many instances that it can adapt. I think it's in a process of redefinition toward marijuana," says Javier Valdez. He's a respected journalist and author who's writes books on the narco-culture in Sinaloa.

    Valdez says he's heard through the grapevine that marijuana planting has dropped 30 percent in the mountains of Sinaloa. But he says the Sinaloa Cartel is old school - they stick to drugs, even as other cartels, such as the Zetas of Tamaulipas State, have branched out into kidnapping and extortion.

    "I believe that now, because of the changes they're having to make because of marijuana legalization in the U.S., the cartel is pushing more cocaine, meth and heroin. They're diversifying," Valdez says.

    Back in the hills above Culiacán, Nabór is asked, if prices for marijuana continue declining what will he do?

    "My dream is to get a good job, a regular job," he says, "where I don't have to do such dangerous work, a job that pays me a living wage."

    When the interview is over, and the recorder is turned off, and we're about to drive back to the highway, Nabór quietly says he thinks he's done with marijuana. He's considering planting opium poppies, because that's where the market is going.
     
  2. that's some funny chit right there. :laughing:
     
    perhaps the 3-5 million illegals are coming over to grow legal weed in the US and ship it to Mexico. lmao
     
  3. its a coordinated plot between the several million of them to do just this!! screw you obama

    this is great news, US legal lets goooo
     
  4. I'll buy it!! That's a helluva price for a key of weed even if its shwag. I'll make edibles or hash with it. Damn I used to pay $250 a key for that back in the 70's. Damn.
     
  5. Old School, I paid just $65 (each) for my first two kilos! One of the perks of living in San Diego in the late 60s! We got "first dibs" on the good stuff, and a bargain price!


    Granny
     
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  6. #6 KushyKonundrum, Dec 2, 2014
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    The funny thing is, the United States' war on drugs has exacerbated the immigration problem from the very beginning.
     
  7. Good! Less money for the murderers and more money for the Entrepeneurs!


    Totally butchered that word.

    Sent from a Pineapple under the Sea.
     
  8. Wicked bummer...


    NOT !!!!!^_^
     
  9. #9 garrison68, Feb 20, 2015
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    If Mexico legalizes it, and the farmers start producing very good outdoor-grown stuff again like they did 50 years ago, they'll put 90% of North American growers out of business.  
     
  10. Maybe they should learn to grow good marijuana.

    Exactly. Their sales would've plummeted anyways as people are beginning to seek high quality instead of gross sun-dried bricked weed.
     
  11. The Mexican weed was bombed with a chemical called Paraquat in the early 1970's, which destroyed the market for good weed.  Before, though, there was VERY high quality stuff which, if it were to return, would satisfy the majority of North American smokers at a better price than domestic is capable of.  The other thing, the high of primo Mexican is more enjoyable - much happier, and NOT weak. 
     
    It's no accident that Acapulco Gold won the Cannabis Cup a few years ago - and I'm sure that this stuff was from Mexican seeds and grown elsewhere, but the same or better could be grown cheaper south of the border.....in fact it would very likely be pure Sativa, which is something many young people have never experienced.  
     
  12. #12 CanadianOrganic, Feb 20, 2015
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    I'm sure it's all grown quite well. It's hard to grow low quality weed.
    It's what they do after harvest that makes it shit
     
    Maybe I should've worded my response better.
     
  13. I had good Mex a few times before the Paraquat program, it was one of the best, if not the strongest, highs I ever had.  The most popular imported replacement weed was Colombian which was also great, but different from the Mexican.  I'd take either or both if they were available to day. 
     
  14. #14 CanadianOrganic, Feb 20, 2015
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    I'd imagine they both use similar regimes for drying/growing in general. Considering the scale some of the grow ops are.
     
    I read somewhere about this massive grow out in the Mexican desert (I believe?) that got busted. I think it was like 25-50 acres and it was ALL crops. They had to use this MASSIVE black tarp to flower. It was so big I can't even fathom how it was made. There was like 5 toilets they installed for the workers. You know it's big-time when they do stuff like that lmfao
     
  15. #15 Bob Barker, Feb 20, 2015
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    With labor so cheap I'm surprised Mexican Cartels doesn't make Morocco style hash and ship that over instead of the compressed buds. Morocco style hash from Mexico would definitely under cut the US priced concentrates.
     
  16. #16 CanadianOrganic, Feb 20, 2015
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    Oh yeah, for sure. As long as it's actually quality.
    I fear hash (especially dark black) will always have a bad name. I remember back in my youth, the black hash we used to get....*Shudder*. Didn't even get you high what-so-ever.
     
  17. Reported again. No one's going to to fall for your bs scam now fuck off.
     
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  18. Trying to feel bad

    ..one sec
    ...getting there

    NOPE!
     

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