The source of too many of our disagreements

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by SlowMo, Nov 28, 2014.

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    This applies to a lot more than religion based hostilities... It strikes at the heart of such fundamental seeds of hatred and hostility as nationalism, racism, and elitisms of all sorts, etc. This type of individual and collective mind mechanics are obviously very subtle, yet quite unnecessary (IMO) torpedoes to human relations on all levels. 
     
    But the important question is, what can we do to bootstrap ourselves up and out of our own mucky pool of bullshit, and thus destroy the factory that produces these stupid (yet still sacred) rabbit vs. duck paradigms?

     
  2. I think humans are tribal by nature which makes us very easy to divide and conquer.
     
  3. What he said

    This is basically human nature.

    -yuri
     
  4. I'm going to copy and paste this to my FB. I hope you don't mind. Thank you for posting this.
     
  5. I'm a firm believer that much of the counterproductive and even poisonous aspects of human nature, though primitive and hidden deep in our genomic nature, can be thwarted and even, over time and much effort, modified for the better. Many of the epigenetic factors that control gene expression are affected by our environment and how we respond to it - especially in terms of neural plasticity and neurogenesis of connections. These factors are, to varying degrees, heritable as modifications in gene expression. They are also dependent on our habitual choices which puts us more in the driver's seat than we ever imagined,
     
  6. Thing is "human nature" is a concept we create. Even if we are talking about things that we been doing since the beginning of times, there are thinks we can change, I'm a person who is pretty much not tribal in any way cus I respect each other mind and person. 500+ years ago everyone was imposing his religion to everyone else, now there is only 1 religion doing this @mass scale, religion in America is stopping from being something tribal to being respected, humans can change and if u don't believe we can change, why do you change?
     
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    Teach kids to read, then teach them to love to learn.
     
  8. Why are both armies carrying the duck banner?  :laughing:
     
  9. the plot thickens :ph34r:

    -yuri
     
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    It's one of those famous optical illusions.  Look at it one way it's a duck, look at it another and it's a rabbit.
     
  11. LOL.

    I didn't notice that until you said it

    -yuri
     
  12. Religion. One ultimate religion that transcends boundaries.
     
  13. #14 Account_Banned283, Nov 30, 2014
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    We should recognize that neither the Rabbit God nor the Duck God are real, or that there is no intelligible reason to believe that they are real (including any other convictions founded upon ignorance/illusion, which includes nationalism, racism etc).. and then move on. -_-
     
  14. Reminds me of the south park episode where cartman freezes himself to wait for a game system and he ends up in the future and everyone is atheist but they're still divided fighting over what a real atheist is...
     
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    You are talking about the need to perceive reality vs. delusion in a nation and world that increasingly relies on dishonest media and political policies to control people. They can get away with this because people are generally ill-informed and lazy. Most Americans polled on the streets of New York didn't even know what the three branches of US government are or which side won the civil war! Delusion reigns where stupidity allows it. Now, people in huge quantities can be lied to about nearly anything imaginable and they swallow it like they were dining on lobster tail and filet mignon.
     
    We really need to stop inflicting OUR delusions on other people. They obviously have more than their own to deal with. The problem is, we have a huge barrier in our collective brains to becoming sufficiently objective to be able to see how much bullshit reigns in our views. 
     
    Maybe if people would start to think for themselves for a change, instead of stupidly adopting the phony shit pushed upon them by the overflowing supply of agenda driven idiot-factions, we might have at least a slim chance at getting along. But with the ever increasing spewing of delusionary nonsense, there's probably little chance of anything truly positive occurring in the near future. Ambitions, careers, and entire institutions are built on "Gruber-ing" the people and those people seem increasingly incapable of seeing through it.
     
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    I feel as though we must educate and make a clear divide between the subjective and objective.
     
    Love can mean anything so it really means nothing. Such as religion means anything so it really means nothing.
     
    We must uphold the art of the subjective in a different light. Because the subjective and objective are two very different things.
     
     
    (Rabbit God - Duck God) holds the same subjective weight as (Red - Blue)
     
    The importance of the preferred God or Color is subjectively unique to the individual.
     
    And I think we should leave it at that.
     
  17. I think its symbolic, since theyre both the same but cant recognize their ignorance.

    Hence flying the same banner.
     
  18. I agree. I think we should "leave it at that", too.
     
    Unfortunately the vast majority don't just leave it at that. They magnify their grudges against those evil other people while calmly dismissing their own nonsense, even justifying it as superior - e.g views that claim to be based on "God's will", appeals to nationalism or racial superiority, and other delusions of grandeur. Consequently, we hate and fight and connive and use every means available to prop up our own delusions while attempting to demolish those of whom we disagree. On and on it goes...
     
    That's not to say that ALL disagreements are based on bullshit. Many times there is one side that has its feet more firmly planted in reality's soil than the opposing view. But all too often judgements are made in a curiously cultish style, having little reference to what actually is the case or even a care for what the facts even are.  
     

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