plants just fell over need help

Discussion in 'Sick Plants and Problems' started by Dr.Nug, Nov 27, 2014.

  1. hello need help quick i am on my second grow my first one went pretty good no big issues. but they are about 2 and a half weeks old since they were planted. well the other day i looked at them and one of them was just laying on its side its about 6 inches tall and it just like broke were the stem comes out of the dirt and i fixed it upright with a pencil and some loose twist ties. and it was slowly shriveling up and dying i figured it it was just a bad seed or something and didnt care much but yesterday i checked the others that were looking healthy and the best bag seed that had from some really good shit  that i really dont wanna lose looks exactly like the other one laying on its side and i did the same thing with the twist ties and pencil and hoped for the best but today its dying like the other one and i dont want to lose it . the only thing i can think that could have influenced this is their second watering it made a few of them fall over because they werent planted deep so i put dirt around them about an inch up to keep them straight up. anything anyone could think of to help would be appreciated.they were all planted into i think half gallon pots and are planted in organic miracle grow (i know its bad but i looked all over for coco coir but no stores around me carry it right now) (also my other plants lived about half thier life in regular MG and the rest in the organic MG) and the soil is mixed with perlite 
     
    i just looked at it again and i noticed there are a few gnats flying around and on the dirt  i heard of gnats that eat roots or something but dont know much more than that could this be them? thanks 
     
    first pic is plant that it first happened to 
    second pic is plant i really dont want to lose
    third pic is plant i dont want it happen to at all
    fourth is a pic of one of the gnats i saw on the soil 

     

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  2. #2 pornstache, Nov 27, 2014
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    Is that brown crap on top the perlite? It doesn't look very well mixed in. The one with the black pencil has a huge patch of straight soil, Its hard to tell but it looks like the soil is too compact, and not airy enough. I would mix at least 30% by volume with perlite (make sure its mixed homogeneously.)
     
    Also the pots are too big, plants that small will never use all that water so the soil will not dry out properly- which will keep the roots constantly wet which will cause rot and may suffocate them if they cant get adequate O2. You ideally want the soil to get pretty dry between waterings, so the roots have to expand in search of water. Also if the soil is so compact the roots cant easily grow through it. Thats why seed starting mixes like FF light warrior are so loose and airy, and why rockwool cubes and other seed-starting plugs (peat, etc) are only about a cubic inch in size.
     
    You can get coco in bricks in most pet stores. Called eco-earth or something similar; its for reptiles. Or just order from amazon. (If you cant get light warrior or an equivalent, that is)
     
    If I were you I would very carefully transplant them into solo-cup size pots with a much airy-er soil. 
     
    Did you do your last grow this exact same way?
     
    BTW windows photo and fax viewer (the one that comes with windows) comes with rotate buttons :)
     
  3. +1 from above poster. You also need to get your lighting right....those are some of the most stretched plants I have ever seen.
     
  4. Yeah,soil is way too wet looking and the pots you have them in are too big.
     
  5. after closer inspection i think they rotted :\\ and my first time i used smaller pots and these were the biggest ones i used ive seen videos were people started off in a bigger pot so i figured itd be less of a mess to just plant them straight into those. and ill check on the coco in a few days. and it is perlite and its mixed but when i water it it moves it all to one spot on the top. it doesn't seem to stretched to me im pretty sure its good with that but i have the pencil on that one only because i accidentally dropped something and it snapped it but i propped it up  and its been doing great long before the others died. and any idea on the yield i have a 100 watt metal halide i got from a garage sale cheap its about 16" away from the top leafs my first grow i used 6 23w cfls i wired together . thanks for all the help really appreciated 
     
  6. oh and when i filled the pots the soil was pretty frozen so i had to break it up so some of the chunks that defrosted aernt mixed the best
     
  7. It looks like rot to me.  Let it dry out for a couple days.  It will survive or die.
     
  8. even if u rotate them right they get twisted here, got the same problem...
     
  9. i would water way less, add perlite and bring your lights way down, theyre searching for light, thats why theyre so stringy, check out my cfl grow 
     

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