Dear Christians (and similar religion), I submit to you...

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  1. #1 QualiD, Nov 23, 2014
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    Dear Christians,
    I submit to you that your 'bible' is nothing but inconsistencies. Before you go off getting the wrong impression, I do not mean the variety of 'versions' available in print, I refer only to the essentials and bare bones of this wondrous book of fables, or as I like to call it, the tome of unknown. "why?" you ask, and I'll tell you why. Walk up to any christian on the street and ask them, after 'God' created the heavens and the earth, who were the first man and woman together  on the earth 'God' created. Go on, ask them. I'll wait. *giggles* (super high while writing this <obviously>) All right, you back now? Good. I am 100% sure that 99.99% of them will tell you 'Adam' and 'Eve,' and they would be very wrong. Well, half wrong, anyways. 
     
    The thought occurred to me in '07 (I was a senior in High School) and I was listening to Serj Tankian's (at the time) newly released solo CD entitled 'Elect The Dead.'  If you are unfamiliar with his name, you probably know him as the lead vocals of System of a Down. He has been my musical idol since elementary school.. but I digress.. track number 10 is called 'Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition.'
     
    I linked the lyrics for easy-access.
     
    After the intro (first block of lyrics), the song actually begins with stating:
     
     
    and if you listen to him say those words, he says it with such diction that it drove me to figure out what the fuck he was talking about.. I did research in libraries, online searches, etc.; and it was hard finding it, but I eventually came across the information I sought...
     
    Nlelith (A.k.a Lilith).
     
    She was the first woman in the garden with Adam.
     
    It has been buried / unlearn / or just plain not taught and watered down, but the 'original texts' all prove it.
     
    take a look at Michelangelo's The Temptation of Adam and Eve:
     
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    A common iconographic depiction of the serpent of Eden in late Medieval and Renaissance art.
    Adam, Lilith, and Eve,c. 1210 AD, Base of trumeau, left portal, West Façade, Notre Dame, Paris.

     
    Initially, it was only Lilith (Nlelith) and Adam, whom both were of the same earth:
     
    -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith
     
    Lilith turns into the seducer of Adam and Eve's children in the form of an Owl (tackling Cain with words of consolation and rest and bringing the death of Abel)... Lilith is the lover of god, and lives in the Red sea commanding a court of demons..
     
    Essentially, she went against 'God' and freed herself from the garden.. ever since, history slowly demonizes the woman, filtering her out and changing lore into demonic monstrosities..
     
    Whoever (or whatever) she really was, she is just one big hole at the beginning of the book many claim as 'the one true book' or 'book of truths'; yet it has been changed/revised time and time again since the first scrolls were discovered. 
     
     
    Not only that, but think of it logically:
     
    -GotQuestions.org
     
    Also, many tombs/crypts/sites have been buried and covered up and artifacts/writings of times past taken/stolen/hidden from the public without their knowledge since the first archaeologists emerged.
     
    I feel like I have written/cited much information, yet I stress the fact that this thread is not an attack on Christianity, but is an open-ended, civil debate and I hope to get responses from the Christian community and others alike.
     
    Were you taught the same thing as the next Christian? Or are you of a later version of the faith?
     
    I must also stress the fact that I was raised a Christian myself from birth, and the family on my Dad's side are hardcore Christians who are on 'fire for god' 24/7.  Out of love and respect, I've always left their beliefs be and subside debating with them until my deathbed.
     
    Thank 'God' for the internet.
     
    Let's hear it, folks. If you had the audacity to read this entire thing, you've already earned my respect.  Please feel free to drop off your thoughts and 'two cents.'
     
    Peace and Love,
    ~QualiD

     
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  2. I'm no longer a member of the faith, but your a bit late tog e party buddy lol. The story of Lilith is a known one, but not accepted by the church. Always loved the story though lol.


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    Exactly. You are not of faith. Hence why I said initially, go out an seek christians/believers. ask them. this post is not here to preach to the choir (ironically, you're my choir), and your post adds no more information than I've initially stated. But I guess I did welcome all comments..
     
  4. Do you believe in a afterlife? Not necessarily A Christian one.
     
  5. #5 QualiD, Nov 23, 2014
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    More of a 'pagan,' as you would call me. my spirituality is one that is in tune with nature, and corrupt without it. I meditate to benevolent forces that I do not name nor chant in song..  I do however believe in basic animism, but I do not believe in an 'after-life.'  I think that's just a made up concept created by man because he fears mortality to such an extreme that he makes himself immortal. Wings? Halos? Fluffy clouds? Not in this lifetime. So what are my beliefs after the sweet-release of physical death? I believe the latter (meta-non/physical) ascends into one entity where 'time' and 'space' exists without any thought of the physical life you endured. I suppose  you could compare it to 'souls' joining together as one, unlike 'heaven' where each individual is still him/herself in a new environment filled with gold and honey in the clouds. That is just fable. Words of temptation created by organized religion to lure in the feeble-minded. What I believe we 'become' cannot be measured, nor can it be fathomed. it is beyond our conscious thinking.
     
  6. So you believe In a afterlife . What facts back up your belief in this "souls joining as one "
     
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    it is not an afterlife. that insinuates you are one separate from the rest.
     
    I think Bender from Futurama says it best, "Afterlife? Pfft. If I'd thought I had to go through a whole 'nother life, I'd kill myself right now."
     
    ascension is about unity. that is where I receive my 'faith.' I'm not so misanthropic that I believe we'll never be as one. That is what others choose to believe.
     
  8. Some sort of consciousness after physical death is not considered an afterlife?

    I submit to you that your own reasonings about what happens to us when we die(even though my beliefs are similar to yours) are more nonsensical then some christians beliefs. Yet there are so many of them. What do you feel is the cause of this? People just being stupid? I suppose that's possible.
     
  9. #9 Oni-Jin Spiritus Genitus, Nov 23, 2014
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  10. #10 QualiD, Nov 23, 2014
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    You obviously did not read what I wrote. I specifically said: "cannot be measured, nor can it be fathomed. it is beyond our conscious thinking."
     
    and then you retort: "Some sort of consciousness after physical death is not considered an afterlife?"
     
    after I clearly stated it was a lack-thereof consciousness. You need to please read what I write. Thank you.
     
    Continuing, and I want to stress this again, I am not here to bash someones beliefs.
     
    It is a common belief that organized religion is a facade to control people and hide evidence of our past. Why do you think there are soo many restricted areas in the vatican? and the popes get to see things no one else in the world can see. why does one man have to take on soo much stress to protect the world from what they think we cannot comprehend or understand. they believe, without religion, people will live without morals. I submit to you that people lived and die by the millions or more before Christianity/Catholicism/etc. even existed. Do you know how many people lived and died before jesus was even born? come on...
     
  11. #11 Biggreenbear, Nov 23, 2014
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    [quote name="QualiD" post="20968690" timestamp="1416728450"]You obviously did not read what I wrote. I specifically said: "cannot be measured, nor can it be fathomed. it is beyond our conscious thinking."

    and then you retort: "Some sort of consciousness after physical death is not considered an afterlife?"

    after I clearly stated it was a lack-thereof consciousness. You need to please read what I write. Thank you.

    Continuing, and I want to stress this again, I am not here to bash someones beliefs.

    It is a common belief that organized religion is a facade to control people and hide evidence of our past. Why do you think there are soo many restricted areas in the vatican? and the popes get to see things no one else in the world can see. why does one man have to take on soo much stress to protect the world from what they think we cannot comprehend or understand. they believe, without religion, people will live without morals. I submit to you that people lived and die by the millions or more before Christianity/Catholicism/etc. even existed. Do you know how many people lived and died before jesus was even born? come on...[/
    quote] millions . A guess can be made but nobody knows for sure. I'm also having a polite conversation . Forgive me for maybe not asking the question right. If this place is beyond our Conscience ability to grasp how did you come to think of it? What made it make sense to you if it's unfathomable?
     
  12. #12 Oni-Jin Spiritus Genitus, Nov 23, 2014
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    through meditation and enlightenment, knowledge and deduction, studying religion and questioning it ever since my mom taught me to read at age 4.
     
    explaining what's unfathomable about it is like trying to see past the third dimension or trying to explain/define gravity.
     
    you can only measure so much before it's all just theory, and I don't spend my spiritual moments theorizing. I listen to the earth. I meditate. commune in my own way without idols or any other recipient aside the nature I am communing with.
     
  14. like looking behind a a curtain right ? I also practice meditation. I was raised In a very religious home like yourself. I think the point I was trying to make is when somebody is hardcore religious like our parents are, there mindset is so "this is real this is everything I've ever known .the universe doesn't make sense without this idea" that they feel like they have to be all in or out in the sense that if there religion isn't true then they have to not believe in spiritual things at all .see I didn't question as early as you did I think. I remember the process of "waking up" vividly .
     
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    precisely, what I do is scratching such a small portion of the surface, and it's amazing how many people literally have the fear of god put into them.
     
  16. #16 Biggreenbear, Nov 23, 2014
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    Having a entire way of thinking just snatched . It can be shocking . And it just takes seeing the right thing to flip that switch
     
  17. #17 -13 Amp-, Nov 23, 2014
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    Lillith isn't in the bible (expect in Isiah if you have a certain translation, most just have it listed as a demon or night monster)...

    but it isn't in the creation story of the bible, and it is not taught as such to Christians so if you asked them that (loaded) question, they would be right, and you would be wrong...

    you are taking a jewish story, that doesnt even connect to Adam's first wife until the publication of the Alphabet...and it was written satirical in nature so that should add even more doubt on it being any kind of "true" (as in to religion truth)

    its not taught in churches or even seen as divinely written...its even refered to as the "Lillith Myth"

    You have sssoooo much actually in the bible that are contradictions, but this isn't one...

    edit* Most Jews don't even believe in the Lillith story, theyn also look at it as a medieval myth...the only jews that do are kabbalistic jews, and they think of her as a "she devil"
     
  18. when we die we all return to chaos/entropy. This is unity.

    You are just playing semantics with "afterlife"

    Even atheists technically believe something happens "after.life"

    -yuri
     

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