Where do rights come from?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by yurigadaisukida, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. haha right! Only problem is that is a private bank totally removed from the usurpers that call themselves the government/state.
     
  2. Thanks bud, you know me too well.
     
  3. #43 *ColtClassic*, Nov 21, 2014
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_codes
     
    My answer - Human rights are a facade. They are not actually rights, but more or less permissions granted by a ruling entitiy. Natural rights do not exist either. The concept of natural rights can ghange over time and is not concrete. A person living in one part of the world may have drastically different rights (or permissions) than a person living in another part of the world. Rights are relative to who is influencing whom - meaning that if one person rules over another, then they can effectively establish or alter the rights of another without much consequence.
     
    A prime example of this is rights that are largely agreed upon by the population of a nation (freedom of speech, freedom of assemly, freedom of religion) but are impeded and incrementally restricted/eroded by the rulers or law-makers of that nation. This is evidence that rights are not in fact concrete or unalienable, but constantly subject to change at the whim of the ruling class.
     
  4. It would have made more sense if you had said that.

    But I admit that I do sometimes think too concretely and can't think abstractly that well at times.
     
  5. Well in saying they come from our creator usually raises more quesions than it answers so i attempted to flesh it all out so the logic could be followed.
     
  6. You are ultimately responsible for deciding what your "rights" are. If you let other people decide for you what you have are called privileges. People will try to oppress your rights. You have to fight to have them.
     
  7. Rights are granted by politicians. Natural rights in my opinion are derived from and directly related to private property, and ownership. Another words all natural rights come from owning ones self. If you own yourself it is understood that you own the extension of your time and labor too. Its all based on private property, the biggest enemy of the state. Being a individual they are clear and just for all. But in the practice of collectivism they erode and blur fast.
     
  8. I actually disagree kinda. You don't have to fight to have them, you are born with them. (Btw a natural right is a right that everyone can practice at the same time without infringing on another's). But you do have to fight to keep them. If we look to others for answers in our own lives, freedom will erode
     
  9. Nobody has any rights.  We're all a part of
    Nature and nature recognizes no rights at all.
     
    You have no right to life.  If you think you do
    try to pet the Tigers at the Zoo.
     
    If you don't even have the right to live
    what makes you think you have Any other
    rights?
     
    Rights are an arbitrary social construct.
    Nothing more.
     
  10. Best way to explain it

    -yuri
     
  11. You do not have every right you wish. Perhaps you mis-typed. 
     
  12. For my part, I think that our founding fathers said it best. They said it was self-evident truth that:
    Mankind is endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.
     
    Notice that they did not say 'endowed by god' they said 'creator' implying that who or what ever created man gave them these rights.
     
    We have rights because we are human we we own our bodies and the fruit of our labor.
     
  13. It wasnt a mistake but perhaps I should have elaborated. What I meant was, you have every right you so choose to exercise. Will we exercise our rights or submit to some supposed authority? As i have said before, we must exert our free spirits in your mind and in your life. If 'they' have convinced us mentally that we are not free then they have already won. You cannot act free with your mind being enslaved. It really does start with our minds, first we must set our minds free and the rest will follow.
     
  14. Saying that rights come from anywhere is begging for the infinite regression with maybe one exception - the collective interaction of neural firing patterns in human brains. And even that keeps spiraling downward through the quantum mechanical interactions between the atoms of biomolecules, and so to ever more subtle aspects of reality?  The more we try to actually attempt get somewhere with such abstractions as "rights', the more it's like being in a train station where all the tracks lead out to infinity. Take your pick and have a nice trip! lol
     
  15. Do you look at physical aggression as a assault on you, your property? Or are you the ultimate pacifist? Either way you choose, which implies ownership. Natural rights are very much real and not some abstract man made term. They are like gravity, they exist naturally.
     
  16.  
    That's a good clarification, job brethren
     

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