Do you think the education system is used to keep people down?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by letsmokeasweet, Sep 27, 2014.

  1. Idk, i just had to put my kid in a school and I been thinking about his future with school and all that, so it got me thinking

    From what I'm hearing its like they are trying to male everyone the same. If a kid has a special talent or something or they are really good at a particualr subject they don't build on it. They focuss on everything else equally. Unless he's good at basketball, (or a sport) then he goes though the prep school system which is only a gateway to the nba
    Everything is the same for everyone else
    They tell you go to school, go to school, graduate high school go to college. And the you go, spend what 100k in student loans. And you pick a specialized field, get a piece of paper that says your smart and then you go out get a job. But you stay stuck at that job. You can't really advance, maybe upper management and making a few hundred thousand a year....but how do you get to the next level with that?
    It's like my drug dealing friend. He has been selling since middle school . He's really good. Knows all the right people, right prices, knows what he is doing, has a very nice house a couple of cars, wife and kid....yet he can't get to the next level, what become a cartel leader? Yea right. What is that guy gona do in sr management if he just is a great worker, worked hard for his position and earned it, but he hasn't gone to the right school or knows the right people?????

    The elite people, wealthy people, royalty, their kids would never go to a public school. Some of those private schools are set up differltly, that sets that kid up and leads him down the path where eventually he will end up be a senator or a CEO.....but something that keeps them out of the regular people's level, their mamas and daddies don't want their kids mixing with us common folk.
    So have a education system that will keep everyone down and will help make it even more differcult to get to the next level. The rich people won't have to worry about us at their country club or jet ports and they can keep the money in their little circle.
     
  2. Of course there isn't universal upward mobility, although there's always a chance for an average Joe to make it to CEO. But you have to look at this in relative terms. Look at say Medieval France, you were either the elite, part of the nobility, or you were a peasant, a commoner, and you literally had no rights. Noble = all rights, commoner = no rights. If you were a commoner, you literally had no chance to become a noble, none, zero. I'm oversimplifying this a little, but it's basically true.
     
    Or a place like India today. They still have an oppressive social stratification system, or caste system. They don't really follow this so much in big Indian cities, but it's still in practice in most rural areas, from what I understand. If you're part of one caste, that's what you have to do with your life, no exceptions, and you have no opportunity to advance, you're born in your caste, you die in your caste.
     
    When you compare examples like that with the relatively high social mobility of Canada or the States, it seems pretty good, if not perfect, doesn't it?
     
  3. If you're saying charter schools are only for the elite....you're right but you're wrong.

    I have friends who got full ride academic and athletic scholarships to Harvard who went to my highschool, and I know people who went to very expensive charter schools who now are still being paid an hourly wage.

    It really comes down to the childs mindset.

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  4. #4 HongKongPhooey, Sep 27, 2014
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    All that means is that you as a parent have to step in. Be apart of your child's life, that includes education.

    Government forces a bare minimum, the rest is up to you. Be a good parent, you know the system while your child does not yet, work with it. Supplement in the areas that are lacking.
     
  5. What the educational system really doesn't do is treat you as a person. They try and fit everyone in this box, tell you it's for your own good, it's going to help you later in life, and that you need it. It doesn't, at all imo, address any bit of the frailties we have in life..instead it assumes you are (i like this analogy) a well lubricated machine and are just given inputs of information. Natural strengths are nulled, because you have to go on and do the next activity/lesson/subject, nor do they look at a child as having strengths and weaknesses and help build....but anyway I wouldn't worry to much about the system so long as your a good dad :) balanced, fair and yadda yadda your child will know instinctively what is right and wrong.
     
  6. http://youtu.be/iFlvkwXCQco
     
  7. Ehhh not intentionally. There are shortcomings, but I don't think it's designed to make people worse off.

    I mean, naturally a company writing history books to sell to the government isn't going to include FDR putting people in internment camps, the fact that the we issued paper currencyfor a reason other than "so people wouldn't have to carry gold/silver around for convenience", etc.

    Obviously no entity is going to pay to be criticized, but I don't think it's a conspiracy.
     
  8. It is a conspiracy dude... All required school is just a form of brainwashing, although college is more for making money, research is better at colleges.. Trust me the generations get worse every year... However none of it matters anyway because it will all come to the same conlcusion.. Believe exactly what you want and nothing else because your reality is ultimately up to you
     
  9. Nothing in history is true... If you werent there and you didnt see it happen, then you are just relying on what everyone else who didnt see it happens thoughts on that certain subject... Nothing adds up its simple research
     
  10. It is best to not let your child have "set ways" of living, but best to let them figure out what is best for them on their own... Which is best if you keep them away from social media!!!
     
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    It's possible that some of it is "brainwashing" (depending on how you define it). Regardless, the claim that all required schooling is just brainwashing is a pretty loaded assertion that you'd need to support with evidence. The words "trust me" should never follow a statement like that.
     
     
     
     
     
    "Simple research?" So if you did "simple research" to find out that "nothing in history is true", didn't you have to consult historical sources?
     
    That doesn't even make sense. 
     
  12. #12 STilladelph, Sep 28, 2014
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    Why does everyone say schools keep the thought process confined to a box with no room for learning other things? That's highschool... by the time you're 18, your brain isnt even fully developed yet!! That's the point of highschool, to teach the basics!

    You might think calculus ans statistics is pointless, but when you have a passion for something and want to learn more, you realize the daunting material they thought you in highschool was merely a foundation for the real learning

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  13. Literally the evidence is all around you, it is too complicated to get into without starting a whole story, its not like you could define the complexity of something like that through a simple explanation, it needs to be broken down into various explanations of how things happen throughout daily life, not just school but everything, i would love to get really into it but it would take a very long time
     


  14. Bro you are most susceptible to brainwashing when you are younger, the young mind will absorb all information like a sponge in order to get a better grasp on reality... What you just said is literally context of what the average human being would be saying about school in this century and in general.... You are just confusing yourself what i am saying makes perfect sense... I am not here to debate but simply share my knowledge... Everything i have come down to is theory not fact, just like everything else.... School is not important for anything other than making money and contributing consumer qualities to our population.. The way we live is corrupt and it destroys our ecosystem, our water and food is tainted with chemicals.... Out of anybody i would think that it would be the stoners that are the ones trying to help... But sadly most of them are just contributing to the problem.. Like us being here on the computer this shit is terrible for us its scrambling our brains
     
  15. ill put this as nicely as I can.

    Without education we would not have the follow:

    Tv
    Computer
    Phones
    Space stations
    gps
    Medicine
    Hospitals
    Roads
    Fire departments
    Police
    Governments

    All of which are where they are now due to continuous trial, error, improvement, and teaching others.

    I can keep going but it would be pointless....Sure a child can be brainwashed, but I'd worry more about the wacko parents raising their child like a heathen than the school system telling them some bullshit facts they won't remember.

    And if what I'm saying is the "literal context" of what most people say, then maybe its just you...
     
  16. This.

    There are issues with our education system, but learning writing, math, and science allow people to do great things later.

    I hated high school and spent most of it loaded out of my mind. What's the point of algebra or pe calculus? Why do I have to write essays?

    No I'm using calculus to build a model of cyclical mal investment and have gotten shit published. (Math and writing skills, respectively)


    What part of that is brainwashing?
     
  17. Education basis teaches you how to learn on your own.
    Socially active people tend to become societal rejects and live shitty lives always broke, insufficient family conditions.(Not all of them, like the one's that abandon education)
     
    You should value all knowledge, even if you think it's pointless. It applies somewhere, even if you don't use it; it is there somewhere.
     
  18. What about being socially active tends to make people broke and live shitty lives?
     
  19. dont you watch the lifetime channel bro?!
     
  20. No, but it sounds like I'm missing out.
     

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